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    Did you copy and paste this from yours or someone’s older takes about Dejounte Murray? Before anyone rewrites history, there are so many posts similar to this one that were said about Murray. No— majority of people did NOT think Murray had any PG skills. Anyone who says otherwise is just outright lying. I can pull them up easily.

    This is what I was saying about Spurstalk’s player evaluation.
    You can pull up ST posts about how terrible Manu and TP are as well.

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    On another topic, I might have mentioned this, but Bilal Coulibaly looks better than I expected on both ends of the floor. I thought he was a reach. Maybe he won't turn out to be.

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    I absoultey agree 100%. From the first time I saw him, I felt he was a SG, and right up until now, I still think he's a SG and have no idea why they are running him at PG. I see no PG ability AT ALL. I am guessing it's because of his speed and being able to breakdown the defense with his penetration is what they're seeing, but what good is that if he has no PG skills?
    I'm all for continuing to let him work. He's a bright, confident kid who wants to be great. I don't love the idea of breaking his spirit. If the fanbase gets down on a good basketball player who is being used incorrectly the whole team suffers. See 2006 Spurs playoffs.

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    Most recent championship teams have had either Kobe, Durant, Wade or Lebron. Those guys are very ball dominant and aren't guys you can just go snatch from the end of the first round. That said, all those championship teams had a true point guard on the roster.

    So you can take a Derek Fisher who started 82 games at the point and make him sixth in minutes when he has Kobe, Artest, Pau, Bynum and Odom next to him. Still a point guard, but surrounded by elite passers.

    Dejounte is going to be the closest thing that exists to support your theory. He was a shooting guard with elite handles, rebounding and defense. He developed his game. Good for him. He is now a non-clutch stat padder for play-in teams. He has yet to move the needle as a basketball player.

    I don't see anyone saying Wesley is doomed. I and others are suggesting that he's being misused. I am here saying I have watched him and he looks good, but not as a point guard. As I said, I think he could start at shooting guard. Give him less responsibility running the offense and rely on his energy and suddenly he's a very good player.

    It's not lost on me that you didn't answer my question about whether you see an ap ude for court vision or decision making in Wesley after an entire year and an offseason to develop. But that's okay. None of us see it either.
    Derek Fisher was anything but a true point guard and you’re rehashing my point for me— team construction-wise, the Spurs should fill the roster with passers at every position (they are already) rather than get a ball dominant point guard with passing skills that you guys covet. Derek Fisher was a point guard by name, just like how Wesley is assigned as a point guard for these summer league games. There isn’t an issue if our point guard doesn’t have the necessary point guard skills. Those superstars you listed in your first paragraph— who were these true point guards? Mario Chalmers? Really?

    Wesley isn’t being misused. He’s the best thing this team needs at PG if he reaches his potential. He’s the one who can push the pace because the pace is about to slow the down with Wemby on the team.

    I very much answered your question in previous posts: my take on if Wesley has court vision doesn’t matter because I’m just like any dude on here that can tell you one way or the other. If it makes you happy, even if it veers away from that idea that I presented, I do believe his court vision is further along than other potential candidates for the point guard position currently on the roster.

    No need to get sassy, we’re just debating. Jesus Christ.

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    29 points in 28 minutes on 12 of 20 shooting.

    /revenge

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    I'll never understand how people here panic cause a player hasn't taken a major leap in his FIRST year in the league tbh. If by the end of this season Wesley can finish well at the rim and hit his midrange shots that would already go a long way.

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    Everyone knows malakai can put the ball in the hole

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    Branham bounce-back game. He’s dropping 25+ tonight. If he doesn’t, we cut him tbh.

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    I'll never understand how people here panic cause a player hasn't taken a major leap in his FIRST year in the league tbh. If by the end of this season Wesley can finish well at the rim and hit his midrange shots that would already go a long way.
    It’s easy to forget DJM was worst. Heck I almost gave up on him until his 4th year. The guy couldn’t dribble in traffic, couldn’t shoot, never try to attack the rim. We got Wesley who likes to attack the rim, albeit getting blocked but those just need adjustments, he can shoot wayyyyy better than DJM at that stage. Relax people. Wesley will be fine.

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    It’s easy to forget DJM was worst. Heck I almost gave up on him until his 4th year. The guy couldn’t dribble in traffic, couldn’t shoot, never try to attack the rim. We got Wesley who likes to attack the rim, albeit getting blocked but those just need adjustments, he can shoot wayyyyy better than DJM at that stage. Relax people. Wesley will be fine.

    people were freaking out on malakai after a summer league game

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    Derek Fisher was anything but a true point guard
    He was literally a point guard when he was in college. He was drafted as a point guard. He won championships as a point guard. The minutes he played for the Lakers were almost exclusively next to Kobe. He played some minutes as a shooting guard with the second team over his career due to his clutch shooting and his defense, but calling him anything but a true point guard is ludicrous. He wasn't a forward, he wasn't a center, he was barely a shooting guard. Not sure what you think that leaves.

    and you’re rehashing my point for me— team construction-wise, the Spurs should fill the roster with passers at every position (they are already) rather than get a ball dominant point guard with passing skills that you guys covet. Derek Fisher was a point guard by name, just like how Wesley is assigned as a point guard for these summer league games. There isn’t an issue if our point guard doesn’t have the necessary point guard skills. Those superstars you listed in your first paragraph— who were these true point guards? Mario Chalmers? Really?
    Again, not sure how you don't understand that a guy who started 400 games at point guard in his career is actually an NBA point guard. If the Spurs are filling the roster with passers, then anyone other than Wesley can bring the ball up and initiate the offense. Wesley would be far better off the ball in virtually any situation.

    Wesley isn’t being misused. He’s the best thing this team needs at PG if he reaches his potential. He’s the one who can push the pace because the pace is about to slow the down with Wemby on the team.
    Nobody ever said he can't grab a rebound and go. I'm all for that; it plays to his strengths.

    I very much answered your question in previous posts: my take on if Wesley has court vision doesn’t matter because I’m just like any dude on here that can tell you one way or the other. If it makes you happy, even if it veers away from that idea that I presented, I do believe his court vision is further along than other potential candidates for the point guard position currently on the roster.
    I don't think it veers from your opinions at all. It's reasonable that if you think he has good court vision that you would be in favor of making him initiate half-court offense. You stated earlier that your reason for supporting him is so that you can tell everyone later that you never doubted him. Your opinion now at least comes from a logical place. I disagree with it, and I really hope you're right and I'm wrong, but I call em like I see em.

    No need to get sassy, we’re just debating. Jesus Christ.
    Not sure what that means. You read in your own tone of voice, not mine. I've been doing this a while. I've already blocked 99 percent of the people who annoy me. You ain't one of those people at all. We're on the same team. You can see how much I love talking about the Spurs by the way I unabashedly pollute almost every thread.

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    I think the Spurs could start Wesley at the 2 on opening day and be in better shape than entering the season thinking he will be the backup point guard. Everything he does well is what you want from an NBA shooting guard.
    ExCuse me but a SG should do better than 5-15, 1-3 on 3s and 50% at the FT line. What he does is run fast, sometime he has the ball with him.

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    Much appreciated OP with the Riga Time.

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    ExCuse me but a SG should do better than 5-15, 1-3 on 3s and 50% at the FT line. What he does is run fast, sometime he has the ball with him.
    Lol you have an entire season of stats from last year and you ignore it. He shot 39 percent from three point range.

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    I'm not even saying Blake won't be fine (although I do'nt think he'll be a star) but some people here state he will out of nothing tangible other than indeed being fast... He"s clearly not a PG, as his stats both in the NBA and the Gleague attest (low ass/game). he can't also really disturb and create havoc in defenses (very low FT/game).

    Now that leaves us with his pretty interesting 3PT% both in G league and NBA (around 38% in both cases) but his bad FT% (65% in the G League, 59% in the NBA) may indicate it's a fluke.... It may not and SG might indeed be his best position if he confirms last year good numbers behind the arc.

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    Tony parker wasn't a big assist guy. I was concerned with his low assist numbers his first year.

    If you have a guy who can initiate the offense and knows when to attack, doesn't get six layups swatted back in his face, and doesn't turn the ball over, you're doing okay.

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    Tony parker wasn't a big assist guy. I was concerned with his low assist numbers his first year.

    If you have a guy who can initiate the offense and knows when to attack, doesn't get six layups swatted back in his face, and doesn't turn the ball over, you're doing okay.
    TP had 4.3 ass/game his rookie year. And that was with a high usage, posting SF, which doesn't help in that regard. You don't get much assists out of 4 down.

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    I may be wrong but I remember him being drafted as a forward and then he played the entire season at point because someone was hurt.
    I think he was drafted as a 'guard', but did better when he moved into the front court where his skill set caused more mismatches. He kind of flamed out in ATL, thrived for a while in PHO, then regressed, and his career went thud in CHA.

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    TP had 4.3 ass/game his rookie year. And that was with a high usage, posting SF, which doesn't help in that regard. You don't get much assists out of 4 down.
    Yep He isn't a traditional point guard, but he is not anything but a point guard.

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