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    has draft and stash become illegal?
    I thought it had more to do the the buy out mechanism for the team he was with before.

    In order to satisfy his buyout clause with his old team, the new team must put Cissoko under a traditional contract or something.

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    Gotta agree with OP here. Sochan will most likely come off the bench, even if some here don’t want to believe it

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    has draft and stash become illegal?
    You know... after I posted this reply to you I started thinking about the dynamics of it all.

    I really don't know if letting him stay with his oversea team is both possible, desirable, or legal.

    Maybe it is. Maybe someone more knowledgeable upon the subject can come in and interject.

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    And as such is possibly how Spurs knew he might still be around at #44 due to less teams being willing to sign him outright which was mandatory to pay the buyout clause with Cissoko's former team thus depreciating his value since it was a higher obligation that most teams were willing to undertake.

    Which allowed SA to flip the more valuable #33 for additional assets and still get their perceived value player pick anyway.

    Incredible deal art buy the San Antonio Spurs front office if true.

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    I understand that the consensus is that Wemby requires or is demanding a center to play alongside him. However my lineup would be.

    5 Wemby
    4 Sochan
    3 Keldon
    2 Vassell
    1 Tre

    With Malaki and Collins first off the bench if not Graham. Then Julian, Dougie and Barlow as rotation players. Mamu possibly.

    Wesley and Sidy would do well in the G.

    Bassey is an unknown right now. He’s gotta come back healthy.

    I imagine you would play Bullock and Cedi early ahead of a few guys because they would bring trade value at the deadline.

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    I thought it had more to do the the buy out mechanism for the team he was with before.

    In order to satisfy his buyout clause with his old team, the new team must put Cissoko under a traditional contract or something.
    i understand that if the spurs want to buy out his contract, they will be required to make that part of a regular NBA contract, and not a 2-way deal

    im talking about not buying him out. let him stay under his baskonia contract. of course, possibility exists that he and his agent had long expressed his desire to come straight to the nba and were not expecting to be a stash. i know there's a mechanism for players to force their way over and sign the minimum second round tender, but that would also require him to pay for his own buyout. or he'd just ask to be traded to a team willing to give him that roster spot

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    How far has load management come that teenagers can't even play 30 minutes per game, tbh.

    If anyone is hurting just sit him outright. But if they are fine, our rookie and sop re should be playing, at the very least, 30 minutes per game, tbh.

    The durability issues with Wembanyama are more theoretical than real, tbh. Didn't he play all games of the last French league? He's also on the record saying he doesn't want to be load managed and he wants to win RoY. That won't happen playing less than 30 minutes per game, tbh.
    I mean you're literally talking about the coach and organization that invented load management

    They're not old but Sochan/Collins have legit durability concerns and PATFO will be kid gloves with Victor, I almost guarantee it tbh

    FWIW, I think they're better served playing "big" anyways and would rather take minutes away from McD/Champs so they can always have 2 of Sochan/Wemby/Collins/Bassey/Barlow on the court at all times.

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    For all the debates about starting, positions, etc., presuming no other moves are made, I see this as the best way to view it . . .

    Guaranteed to start: Wembanyama, Vassell

    Likely to start: Collins, Johnson, Jones

    Guaranteed to play significant minutes: Sochan, Branham, McDermott

    Competing for minutes: Champagnie, Bassey, Graham, Bullock, Osman, Mamukelashvili

    Deep bench/G-League: Wesley, Barlow, Cissoko, Rice

    Buy out/waived: Stevens, Birch
    if they don’t start sochan spurs fo hasn’t got a clue what they are doing

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    I don't like Sochan coming off the bench. I want him starting out on the opponent's best guard/wing scorer every night. Keldon has his big contract and he can get all the shots he wants with the 2nd unit tbh.

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    I don't like Sochan coming off the bench. I want him starting out on the opponent's best guard/wing scorer every night. Keldon has his big contract and he can get all the shots he wants with the 2nd unit tbh.
    The way they have been promoting sochan all off-season it’s highly unlikely that sochan comes off the bench . And it’s not smart he’s our best defender .

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    Sochan seems best suited for PF although I do believe he can play SF, especially situationally.

    But in most cases last year, Sochan seemed like a PF with only Poeltl Zollins Deing or Bassey as the next biggest player.

    And the few times another approx ~6'8 ish player joined Sochan with either Poeltl/Zollins/Bassey, it was Roby or KBD clearly playing SF which seems to put Sochan at PF.

    Not sure I want to pull Sochan away from the rim on either side of the court. Not sure he has the 3 ball necessary to play wing against starters (but it was improving). Not sure I want Victor and Sochan both out there simultaneously to start games since one could back up the other during foul trouble issues. It's like blowing both loads at once and not saving backup plans. Still don't see a solution yet for the starting 5 and will be interesting to see what they do. Either way you're either playing guys possibly out of natural position/strengths or benching a top 10 pick lol. Victor does not seem like a C. Sochan does not seem like a PG. Please stop proposing those lineups. I mean it's possible and Spurs always tries out experiments, but I'm wary of the success potential barring some developmental leaps from the players.

    If we don't trade some wings which I believe will happen Sochan kinda stuffs into SF pretty badly. Pushing KJ to the bench with Bullock, Champagnie, Doug and Osman already there seems imbalanced barring additional trade moves.

    But I believe Sochan could succeed at SF. Especially if he's been working on it this summer: foot speed, shooting, three pointers.

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    Keldon is maximized as a starter and fits that unit best and still think Sochan comes off the bench.

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    Jones/Graham
    Vassell/Branham
    Johnson/Bullock/Doug
    Wembanyama/Sochan/Cissoko
    Zollins/Mamu/Bassey

    Needs another guard though. Maybe swap Cissoko and dress out Blake Wesley instead. Bullock can play up on some PF to cover depth. Again as it stands barring additional trade moves/new personnel. Dump or waive any or all of Stevens Birch and Osman? Something like that at least.

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    Wesley is going to get much more run than people think.

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    Pretty damn sure starters are locked as sochan Devin keldon wemby Collins . Pop has said multiple times sochan is a natural pg also if spurs didn’t see sochan as a starter why would they hold him out of sl . There is no chance sochan doesn’t start . Also sochan is our best perimeter defender and we were the worse defensive team last year . Putting him on the bench would make no sense .

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    Sochan is going to get torched guarding the Kyrie and asGA and Foxes of the league. He's much better playing backline anyway. Permanently guarding the perimeter gets him into foul trouble, breaks defensive shape... Just don't see it at all.

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    Actually something like this maybe:

    Jones/Graham/Wesley
    Vassell/Branham
    Johnson/Bullock/Champagnie
    Wembanyama/Sochan
    Zollins/Mamu/Bassey



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    People sleeping on Bassey. I’ll revisit this in a few months when he’s ballin’ out.

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    Actually something like this maybe:

    Jones/Graham/Wesley
    Vassell/Branham
    Johnson/Bullock/Champagnie
    Wembanyama/Sochan
    Zollins/Mamu/Bassey


    There's no way McDermott isn't part of the rotation. I don't see Bullock playing much.

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    Thinking about these pairings in the bigs rotation eventually as the game settles in:

    C: Zollins
    PF: Sochan

    C: Mamu
    PF: Wembanyama

    C: Bassey
    PF: Bullock

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    There's no way McDermott isn't part of the rotation. I don't see Bullock playing much.
    Good call yeah I'm a little tripped up with the wing situation right now and think additional trade moves seem almost certain.

    Probably reading too much into Bullock hyping Victor on twitter that it might mean he feels he might stay on.

    But swap Bullock with Doug in my mock and I don't disagree at all.

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    Unless Doug is traded and in a different uniform that is!

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    So it looks like most here are happy with the Spurs adding Wemby to last year's team with no significant additions to the roster.

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    i understand that if the spurs want to buy out his contract, they will be required to make that part of a regular NBA contract, and not a 2-way deal

    im talking about not buying him out. let him stay under his baskonia contract. of course, possibility exists that he and his agent had long expressed his desire to come straight to the nba and were not expecting to be a stash. i know there's a mechanism for players to force their way over and sign the minimum second round tender, but that would also require him to pay for his own buyout. or he'd just ask to be traded to a team willing to give him that roster spot
    ahh let him stay under baskonia would indeed be a slick stash if possible to arrange such a deal. SA def needs to bend the roster capacity in some way and it would be awesome to retain his rights while he is doing the developmental play he already would be doing anyway if he held a Spurs slot.

    Wonder if that's the current negotiations then? Interesting point you made.

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    So it looks like most here are happy with the Spurs adding Wemby to last year's team with no significant additions to the roster.
    Looks more like a thread about how the current roster is formed. Individual happiness isn’t really a topic here, Debbie Downer.

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