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    Honestly the slower developmental arc plays to our benefit. If he booms this year or the next we’ll have to throw major money at him to retain him. The ideal scenario would be one where he comes on more slowly and finally looks like league average player in year 3…then we extend him for a very reasonable deal and he officially breaks our shortly after.

    Obviously somewhat of a pipe dream, but just saying that it could be a good thing if he takes a little longer to develop. Not like we’re dying for him to be a contributor to a playoff team in years 2 or 3.
    Yeah it could work out that way. It's a good notion. I certainly hope he stays around.

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    Yeah, that's not how that works for a rookie.
    How does it work? He wasn’t being regularly sat, maybe 5 games. He played when healthy. That was 37 games.

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    He’s played half of a rookie season.
    Plus 11 GLeague games, an offseason and now summer league. I get it. He’s young. But I don’t think it’s unfair to have expected more tangible improvement going into his second summer league.

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    He played 37 total games. That is less than half of an 82 game season.
    and 14 gleague games

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    He played 37 total games. That is less than half of an 82 game season.
    And a bunch of pick-up games of 21!

    Sorry... just following the current parade.

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    And he beat the crap out of some olds at the Y!

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    Malaki’s 37th game was January 28th, and people were calling him a wasted pick too. Then, February happened, and he was in the running for rookie of the month.

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    How does it work? He wasn’t being regularly sat, maybe 5 games. He played when healthy. That was 37 games.
    He wasn't locked in a freezer or sitting on a couch. He was hurt for a few weeks but the rest of the time he's working out, running drills and practicing with Austin. That is a full season.

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    He wasn't locked in a freezer or sitting on a couch. He was hurt for a few weeks but the rest of the time he's working out, running drills and practicing with Austin. That is a full season.
    None of that is NBA basketball, which is where you cut your teeth.

    He missed more than a few weeks. He was injured on the 30th of October, and didn’t return until January 13th. That’s 2 1/2 months.

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    He can’t elevate and generally has very poor touch. To me, those are the hurdles from the beginning. I think his shooting touch can improve some, but not sure about the weak vertical. I think his dogged determination works against him when he gets into the lane because he keeps trying to get to the rim but too often gets blocked horribly. He has to balance his will to fight with some actual bbiq, eventually.
    What was his vertical anyway? Was it measured at the draft combine? Edit : Just read Exstatic posted his combine vertical a few posts below. I guess 36 inches isn't too bad.

    I've also always wondered, can NBA players improve their vertical much when entering the league with the training/nutrition they're able to get? I know genetics play a big part, but I always thought you can increase it if you do a specific programs/training (I remember Jordan Kilganon (professional dunker) I think it was that said cardio isn't good for your vertical, so if that is true, being an NBA player running around the court doesn't help with trying to increase your vertical. I guess that is where genetics come in if you can still do that while still having a massive vertical, you've got great genetics. This is also another reason I think Zion Williamson is a waste, as if I had his genetics, I wouldn't piss it away getting fat and chasing porn stars. What a joke to not take those gifts seriously. He doesn't deserve to have them. Sorry for going off topic there, but thinking about someone like that with those tools/gifts pisses me off).

    Anyway, If I were Wesley, I'd be doing everything I can to increase my vertical, as that would unlock his game going to the rim even more if he can finish over the top of people. He's got the aggressiveness and determination, but it just seems his vertical is holding him back a bit. I know you don't need the biggest vertical to finish as TP was an amazing finisher (one of the best IMO), but not sure what else Blake is doing wrong that he gets blocked a lot of the time? Is it his timing on jumps, is he showing the ball too much, is he not changing pace enough when going to the basket? TP also had amazing footwork down low. Not sure if Blake can get to that level footwork wise?

    By the way, I love Blake, so I am not taking shots at him. I just want him to put it all together to succeed out there. I was one of the posters here that was willing to give Lonnie more chances than anyone as I believed in his potential. Blake wants it a lot more than Lonnie ever did, so I am more that willing to give him time to figure it all out.

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    No floater. Nothing works for him without it. This was the priority since last year and they completely scrapped it. What is the plan now?

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    Wesley won't be here in 3 years. And yes, oh yeah, yeah, you can quote me on that.

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    None of that is NBA basketball, which is where you cut your teeth.

    He missed more than a few weeks. He was injured on the 30th of October, and didn’t return until January 13th. That’s 2 1/2 months.
    it wasn't NBA basketball because he wasn't ready for NBA basketball.

    its wild, I'm not saying the dude is going to be a bust (although I do think it more likely than not) but you guys are just giving this guy so many excuses. Yes, being hurt is a detriment as you can't workout, but you're still on an NBA team and still receiving coaching the entire time. You're still reviewing film, you're still learning and you're still a professional basketball player. Dude wasn't in a coma.

    Its not impossible that dude is much better by the time training camp comes around, but RIGHT NOW, dude is not noticeably better than the end of last year at which point he was literally one of the very worst players in the NBA.

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    Wesley Assets: 1. Speed 2. vertical jump OK. 3. At ude/determination to make NBA

    Wesley Debits: 1. shooting. 2. Finishing 3. BBIQ 4. handle 5. Black hole. 6. fouling 7. If he doesn't have the natural skill set of a PG, Do any of his debits really lead us to expect a full rotational Shooting Guard?

    I probably forgot some points either way, but you can add to the list. I remember some posters made a couple of mentions, describing him as a deer. HMMM? Where have we heard that before?

    Remember what Sir Charles said, describing a certain kind of player with physical skills but little else:." Deer can run fast and jump high....but you don't find any deer playing in the NBA."

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    I can't even remember what 2nd year DJM looked like... but what does it even matter? Blake isn't DJM, he's Blake. And right now Blake looks like he has a long way to go. Hopefully he gets there, seems like a good kid... but so did Lonnie.

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    I dont think this is possible but does anyone know if he can be cut and resigned on a two way. I dont think the Spurs would do that even if they could but he is one that I dont see them picking up his 3rd year option.

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    Murray 2017 Summer League

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    6 ppg, 3.8 apg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 spg, 4 to


    Wesley 2023 Summer League

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    12.83 ppg, 3.66 apg, 6.16 rpg, 1.33 spg, 3.16 to

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    DJ was just behind because of family cir stances in his early years. Wes is just bad. There is a difference.

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    So what are we expecting in terms of this upcoming season? I think at this point we can all agree that him being the backup PG for the big league team is out the window Does he spend a good chunk of time in Austin?

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    So what are we expecting in terms of this upcoming season? I think at this point we can all agree that him being the backup PG for the big league team is out the window Does he spend a good chunk of time in Austin?
    3rd pg at best in garbage time is probably his ceiling right now

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    3rd pg at best in garbage time is probably his ceiling right now
    Beginning his 2nd season with the big club, could Wesley start 161 out of 162 games?

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    Forbes was a better player then than Wesley is now tbh

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    Guess I’m just wondering whether they’d rather have him get a bunch of playing time in Austin, or have him buried at the end of the bench with the main team. If they’re really dead set on evaluating him I guess they could choose to still play him substantial minutes in San Antonio at the expense of the team probably being worse off this year.

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    Wesley definitely needs to be in Austin full time. Maximize the reps. Unless injuries dictate otherwise

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    Murray 2017 Summer League

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    6 ppg, 3.8 apg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 spg, 4 to


    Wesley 2023 Summer League

    6 games

    12.83 ppg, 3.66 apg, 6.16 rpg, 1.33 spg, 3.16 to
    His rookie year in Summer League, Murray (when he actually tried) averaged 10.8 pts in Vegas and 21.0 pts in Salt Lake City. The number you gave correspond to his second year where for some reason (probably being pissed or injured I do'nt know) he didn't even tried (0.176% and 0.316% shooting)... By the way, Nikola Jokic in SL: 8pts, 6rbds, 1.4 ass... So I guess Wesley is gonna be a multiple MVP.

    But that's Wesley's problem, which isn't trying, that's trying too much to do things he can't and not doing things he should. Give any of these kids the green light (like Wesley obviously has been by the spurs who want to see if he improved) and they'll post Wesley's number in SL... Maybe not the 3.66/3.16 ass/to ratio tho... It's not about the numbers, not to mention Blake is a sop re and those are not outstanding numbers, it's about his play.

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