Shams: Spurs Trade for Phoenix G Cam Payne

[XenoThirteen]

Dumb question, but is there a locked period where the spurs will not be allowed to trade all these new players they’ve been acquiring to other teams?

[Mr. Body]

Dumb question, but is there a locked period where the spurs will not be allowed to trade all these new players they’ve been acquiring to other teams?

Wondering the same thing. Used to be a rule that you couldn't aggregate players you just traded for until a long period of time.

[Obstructed_View]

Used to be like 28 days but I think they have until October to cut the roster down.

[jhfenton]

Any case, another smart move by Wright. Spurs (and ST tbh) are certainly not confident entering the season with a Tre/Graham/Wesley rotation at PG, probably the worst in the NBA, assuming Wesley even makes the A team. At worst, they either get a decent back up in Payne, at best he helps for a bigger trade.

I doubt they'll cut Wesley, but I see him spending most of his playing time in Austin this season. Baptism by fire is fine if you're tanking anyway, but I don't see his role right now on a big squad that is trying to win more. And he needs the minutes.

[John B]

Nothing about Wesley. This trade is to meet payroll, and get a good backup PG in return. It’s possible he gets traded by trade deadline or not depends on his chemistry with the team. But the development of Wesley continues, I suspect plenty in Austin in the beginning and more with the main team after deadline.

[spurraider21]

Nothing about Wesley. This trade is to meet payroll, and get a good backup PG in return. It’s possible he gets traded by trade deadline or not depends on his chemistry with the team. But the development of Wesley continues, I suspect plenty in Austin in the beginning and more with the main team after deadline.

We already made payroll

[exstatic]

We already made payroll

For the moment. If we do a many for one, taking back a bit less, and then cutting Stevens, which we 100% will, that might drop us a bit.

[duncan2150]

Good moove

i like payne more than Graham, Wesley is not ready and the contract is expiring.

[MannyIsGod]

I think they’ll just end up waiving Cam along with Berch and Stevenson to get to 15. Don’t see him making the team honestly, plus spurs got some cash to offset some of his deal.

This makes no sense. He has value on this team and as a possible deadline trade.

[MannyIsGod]

Nothing about Wesley. This trade is to meet payroll, and get a good backup PG in return. It’s possible he gets traded by trade deadline or not depends on his chemistry with the team. But the development of Wesley continues, I suspect plenty in Austin in the beginning and more with the main team after deadline.

I mean it definitely says they don't think Wesley can be a contributor at the start of the season which is definitely something.

[jjspur]

Wonder how much cash they got. If its like 3 million or so, that would help if they decided to waive Payne.
Personally I'd rather they waive Wesley . I know its early but he has a very long long way to go. Payne is experienced and has only 1 year left on his contract.

[Extra Stout]

What about Payne, Osman, Bullock, and Birch for Kyle Lowry. The Spurs get a serviceable veteran point guard and leader, while the Heat get a bench. The salaries match.

[MultiTroll]

You Wesley sniffers need some decongestant.

Of course he is Austin material at best at this point.

Paynes contract -expiring to boot- is excellent.

[Mr. Body]

Sort of puts to bed the 'Spurs and Suns are on bad terms' thing, if it was still a thing.

[DPG21920]

Sort of puts to bed the 'Spurs and Suns are on bad terms' thing, if it was still a thing.

New owner…

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Dumb question, but is there a locked period where the spurs will not be allowed to trade all these new players they’ve been acquiring to other teams?

according to fanspo 2 months restriction

Cedi Osman cannot be traded to a team aggregated with other players from his team because 2 months have not passed since he was traded for. He can only be traded away to a team by himself and other non-player assets from his team (draft picks, cash considerations, etc). This restriction expires after Sep 04, 2023.

Reggie Bullock cannot be traded to a team aggregated with other players from his team because 2 months have not passed since he was traded for. He can only be traded away to a team by himself and other non-player assets from his team (draft picks, cash considerations, etc). This restriction expires after Sep 10, 2023.

[RC_Drunkford]

Duane Rankin: The #Suns are getting a protected 2nd round pick from the Spurs in return on the Cameron Payne trade, sources inform @azcentral. This includes a $6.5M trade exception.
1 hour ago – via Twitter DuaneRankin

[DAF86]

So what's the trade? Payne and a 2nd for a 2nd. How does that work?

[RC_Drunkford]

It’s a fake 2nd. Top 55 protected or something so it most likely won’t convert

[spurraider21]

So what's the trade? Payne and a 2nd for a 2nd. How does that work?

Suns are sending us an actual SRP

by rule in any trade the spurs HAVE to give something. So they are sending a phony, probably top 55 protected SRP that will not likely convey or if it does will hold very little value

[Kurik]

So what's the trade? Payne and a 2nd for a 2nd. How does that work?

Spurs had cap room to absorb Payne’s contract, Suns are paying a lot in luxury tax and keeping Payne wouldn’t make too much sense from a financial sense for them.

Spurs send a “fake” second round pick that will most likely be top 55 protected to make the trade work. Suns send Cash, Payne, and a second round pick to the Spurs.

[TD 21]

Osman, Bullock and Payne (and maybe Birch) would be enough to take on Lowry or Herro and are actually decent bench pieces for a contender. I‘m pretty sure we‘re about to send them to Miami

Osman is the one I could see sticking around through the trade deadline and maybe even beyond next season.

Lowry would probably request and be granted a buy out.

Short term, plop him at the 1. Long-term put him at the 2 and slide Devin to the 3 when Keldon is shipped out tbh.

Herro isn't Spurs material, can't defend PG's and sliding Vassell to SF is too scrawny a wing tandem. As this team becomes good again, positional size will be a key.

[scott]

according to fanspo 2 months restriction

Cedi Osman cannot be traded to a team aggregated with other players from his team because 2 months have not passed since he was traded for. He can only be traded away to a team by himself and other non-player assets from his team (draft picks, cash considerations, etc). This restriction expires after Sep 04, 2023.

Reggie Bullock cannot be traded to a team aggregated with other players from his team because 2 months have not passed since he was traded for. He can only be traded away to a team by himself and other non-player assets from his team (draft picks, cash considerations, etc). This restriction expires after Sep 10, 2023.

I have seen reporting to the contrary on this - that because the Spurs acquired these players with cap space, they are able to aggregate them immediately.

[Obstructed_View]

Nothing about Wesley. This trade is to meet payroll, and get a good backup PG in return. It’s possible he gets traded by trade deadline or not depends on his chemistry with the team. But the development of Wesley continues, I suspect plenty in Austin in the beginning and more with the main team after deadline.

Disagree. Spurs are already at the floor. They now have a legitimate roster crunch. They didn't take on yet another body just to gather in yet another second rounder. This is a signal that they don't have faith in the Wesley-as-a-point-gguard experiment to me.

[timvp]

Looks like the Spurs can still carve out another ~$9 million in cap space if they delay signing Tre Jones and waive Stevens. I guess it could be even higher if they can work out a contract buyout with one of these vets they acquired.

A nice thing about these trades the Spurs have made is they've acquired vets who actually fit reasonably well. Payne adds needed point guard depth. Bullock and Osman add three-point shooting and experience on the wings.

Great offseason so far, IMO.

The Bullock trade is the best of the bunch but the Osman and Payne deals are better than most salary dumps.