Shams: Spurs Trade for Phoenix G Cam Payne

[spurraider21]

No I’m not okay with that. There’s no evidence or proof that it would even hurt them in the long run. They could up using that large contract to attract a bigger player. Then you helped them rather than hurt them. What you’re suggesting is just childish stupidity.

I prefer we operate above water and in good faith. ing over the compe ion that deliberately isn’t a win and doesn’t do anything to further our franchise. I understand that ethics are nothing compared to winning but I don’t see any real tangible value for egregiously attempting to teams over.

I’ve always found greater success in concentrating on myself and my own business rather than put effort into ing someone else over.

i think its really bizarre to characterize signing a RFA to an offer sheet as operating in bad faith

"maybe they wanted to sign him for more than they did" is also indeed a take

[BacktoBasics]

Thinking it's better having Reaves at bigger contract rather than cheap contract make no sense, stop being front office homer

I’m not being homer. I’m just being practical. I never said it was “better”. I gave you an example to illustrate that your idiotic argument about ing another team over doesn’t live in a vacuum.

Tossing around 80-100 million simply to be a isn’t good GMing. It’s being a spiteful shortsighted child.

[BacktoBasics]

i think its really bizarre to characterize signing a RFA to an offer sheet as operating in bad faith

"maybe they wanted to sign him for more than they did" is also indeed a take

He suggested doing it simply to with another team. First off he’s not worth 80 to 100 million. His value was exactly what the lakers gave him.

You make an offer to a RFA if you intend to sign him. Offering simply to offer in the hopes that it might another franchise over is bad faith business.

Clearly our FO wasn’t interested in offering 80-100 million on the off chance they’d make us eat it. Because we already knew that his 52 million was on the table. Pretty safe to assume that anywhere up to maybe 75 million and they’ll match.

It would have been a waste of time.

[PrimeMinister]

we're still wondering why the FO didn't throw 100 million at a role player that had a good playoff run next to one of the best players of all time?

[Mr. Body]

we're still wondering why the FO didn't throw 100 million at a role player that had a good playoff run next to one of the best players of all time?

I think it's just deep sexual attraction to Arkansas Hillbilly, which is fine. But just take him on a date, you know?

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Completely different situations. Samanic was one of a handful of young players on the roster. The team could afford to keep him. Wesley is in a roster crunch. A lot of the solutions people keep offering as easy fixes don't cut it. The Spurs will have to cut into the meat this year, and they will continue to have to do so for likely a few more years. The Spurs should be trying to reward the guys who perform well and putting the best team around Wembanyama, not trying to cling to prospects. If it's close, yes I think they go with Wesley. But if he's clearly not one of the 15-best players on the team, it would be a disservice to keep him. They cut Livio during the first camp despite having much less young talent and needing someone at his position. They cut Anderson after his first year when it was clear they couldn't wait for him to get healthy. Yes, those guys had their own special cir stances. But Wesley has his own too. I don't see any way he doesn't have to compete for his job. I see a tons of ways he can win that spot, but he should have to win it.

I don't disagree with anything you wrote, but Wesley was a project to begin with and he just turned 20 while spending a good portion of his rookie season injured. It just seems like it's way too soon to pull the plug on him. Maybe in an another year if he doesn't improve and they've got even more incoming young talent? Sure, but this isn't Lonnie after year 4. And as much as it's about putting the best team around Wemby right now, it's more about putting the best team around him in 3 years. The last thing this franchise is going to do -- obviously, based on what they've done this summer -- is sacrifice anything long term for short term results. Unless there is something we don't know about Wesley (e.g., at ude or work ethic issues), I would be stunned if he weren't on the 15.

[kobyz]

I’m not being homer. I’m just being practical. I never said it was “better”. I gave you an example to illustrate that your idiotic argument about ing another team over doesn’t live in a vacuum.

Tossing around 80-100 million simply to be a isn’t good GMing. It’s being a spiteful shortsighted child.

It's not tossing around, bigger and longer Jeff Hornesek absolutely worth that price, especially when the cap room gonna rise the coming years and while looking at the trash free agence class next year

[Spurs Homer]

Here you go. Now if you want me to dig up another example we'll need to place a wager on it. There have been a few members suggest that we waive Branham.

man, you sure got triggered…

i was enjoying watching wemby and enjoying some cold ones and branham and wesley were bricking the game away and i got fed up with them and you STILL are crying about that?

since when did spurstalk posters develop such thin skin?

wesley- i wont deny it - he needs to go - not an nba player

branham - i didnt like him much last year and hoping he improved - a LOT - but i would not hate it if both were packaged in a trade deal to get a good NBA point guard

but not sure why you are so triggered over two unproven scrubs and not sure why YOU think you can dictate others postings and whether YOUR expert opinion has been tarnished by a strangers postings not directed at you….

grow a pair and chill buddy!

[BacktoBasics]

It's not tossing around, bigger and longer Jeff Hornesek absolutely worth that price, especially when the cap room gonna rise the coming years and while looking at the trash free agence class next year

If he improves this season then I’ll agree with you. Took Hornacek like 6 years to make an all star team and he was averaging 20ppg. Reaves only averaged 13ppg with injuries to scoring players. He had 1 good post season.

Again you’re not looking at the whole picture.

Thank god we didn’t offer him 100 million and be stuck with it.

[BacktoBasics]

man, you sure got triggered…

i was enjoying watching wemby and enjoying some cold ones and branham and wesley were bricking the game away and i got fed up with them and you STILL are crying about that?

since when did spurstalk posters develop such thin skin?

wesley- i wont deny it - he needs to go - not an nba player

branham - i didnt like him much last year and hoping he improved - a LOT - but i would not hate it if both were packaged in a trade deal to get a good NBA point guard

but not sure why you are so triggered over two unproven scrubs and not sure why YOU think you can dictate others postings and whether YOUR expert opinion has been tarnished by a strangers postings not directed at you….

grow a pair and chill buddy!

He asked for an example and I provided it.

[Spurs Homer]

He asked for an example and I provided it.

ok good for you

If branham stays and improves good for the spurs and good that i was wrong if that happens

not a big deal tbh

[kobyz]

If he improves this season then I’ll agree with you. Took Hornacek like 6 years to make an all star team and he was averaging 20ppg. Reaves only averaged 13ppg with injuries to scoring players. He had 1 good post season.

Again you’re not looking at the whole picture.

Thank god we didn’t offer him 100 million and be stuck with it.

I didn't suggest 100m, you could have been creative with that and get him at other great price or if Lakers elect to match still make them to pay more

[BacktoBasics]

I didn't suggest 100m, you could have been creative with that and get him at other great price or if Lakers elect to match still make them to pay more

No you couldn’t have. My best guess is that they’ll match up 70 million. Maybe even 75-80. Anything over 80 million isn’t worth tying up the money.

Maybe after this season he’ll be worth 85 or 90 million but I see no reason to roll the dice.

You guys are just impatient and want to spend money to spend money.

If we could get Reaves for 4 years at 60 million I’d be perfectly fine with that risk. But that wasn’t an option.

Tying up our cap on an offer we know they match would have been dumb considering the value that cap could potentially hold as a 3rd team facilitator on a Lilliard or Harden deal. I understand we’re past that but in the moment it was smart to not be careless with our cap space.

Some of you need to look at the big picture and all the moving parts. Not just an offer for face value.

[JPB]

The famous Jeff Hornesek.

[Extra Stout]

I hope we never stop talking about what might have been with Hillybilly Kobe.

[Obstructed_View]

I’ve had spurs homer on ignore for a few years now

my bad

Honestly I have both of them on my ignore list.

[DPG21920]

Trade official

[DPG21920]

[spurraider21]

as expected. that SRP is probably top 55 protected

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The Spurs own 2024 SRP is already fake traded to Boston (top 55 protected), so it might end up with a weird protection like 56-60 to Boston, 50-55 to Phoenix and 31-49 to Spurs or something like that.

[spurraider21]

The Spurs own 2024 SRP is already fake traded to Boston (top 55 protected), so it might end up with a weird protection like 56-60 to Boston, 50-55 to Phoenix and 31-49 to Spurs or something like that.

the spurs have a couple of other 2024 SRPs they can send, just not their own natural one

we get the more favorable of Chicago/NOP 2024 SRP

we also get the Lakers 2024 SRP


edit: the chicago/NOP one was sent as part of the bullock trade. so we can still send the lakers pick, and its probably top 55 protected as well

[sfernald]

Do you guys have a list of all the firsts and seconds we have now over the next few years?

[jesterbobman]

Do you guys have a list of all the firsts and seconds we have now over the next few years?

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/dr...rafts/detailed Is probably the best. Takes time to get perfect as details emerge on trades, but it's good enough.

[spurraider21]

yeah the realgm list is my go-to, but they're pretty behind as far as moves from this offseason

[urunobili]

I dig Cam. I trust at worst he'll be PG2...