Mrs. Body posts with the energy of an overly dramatic teenage girl on her period
Yes. The guys who they didn't wait to get healthy even though they looked better than Wesley before they got hurt. Turns out, even a Spurs team starved of prospects only cares so much about the long future. A Spurs team with tons of prospects coming in will be even less patient if the situation calls for it.
I see a desire to keep Wesley through the roster crunch as coming from one or both of the sunk cost fallacy ("we used a first round draft pick on him!") and trying to avoid later regret ("what if the Spurs let him go and he becomes really good on another team?").
No, we're acknowledging that we don't know which way they're going to go and that there are legitimate arguments for both paths.
That's too simplistic. I want Blake to stay too, but even if those guys don't have a future with the team (probably true, but not necessarily) they're the best trade candidates on the roster by the trade deadline, if they play well (no reason to think at least some of them can't regain form given the chance), there's a chance you can turn them into further assets (multiple picks, possibly in combination with one year longer contracts). A depleted team that's trying to stay compe ive and finds themselves short by the trade deadline may like a Bullock + Payne combination, for instance, in exchange for an injured/out-of-the-rotation vet + multiple picks (like it happens to Josh Richardson). So it's not as simple as comparing Blake vs guys who have no future, but rather guys who, even if are unlikely to have a long term future, have a pretty good chance to be used to get more assets, which may be more valuable to the team.
I think one alternative that Chinook threw out there is interesting to consider: coordinating with Blake's agent a waive + subsequent 2-way deal, with possibly picking up his 3rd year option to disincentivize someone claiming him off waivers. I don't even think the last bit would be necessary, but it's maybe a reasonable gesture that could also help show good will and interest long term in the player. In any case, there are multiple alternatives, and barring a consolidation trade, something's got to give.
They kept Lonnie for four years, and only dumped Sammich because he was a lazy ass, not for any skills he lacked or development lag. Even his lazy ass got two years.
The question isn't whether it's possible that the Spurs will keep Wesley. I think basically all of us think it's likely. The question is whether the Spurs would even waive a guy so early in his career. The Spurs have done so. Some folks don't want to accept it's even possible, which has warped the discussion into this weird castle siege rather than anything productive.
Other than the weenie-wagger and James Anderson's lisfranc foot fracture, when have they cut a FRP for developmental reasons?
Primo
update: I take it the weenie-wagger is Primo?
Knee issue reasons. Should have had him in my injury/perversions exception list.
I would remove McDermott from the near-locks and move him into the tradeable category. There is a chance that with the addition of Bullock, the Spurs could just trade Graham, McDermott and Osman for a single player who could be a swingman/shooter. And then see who among Mamu and Wesley plays upto potential in camp and then waive one among them. That's my feeling.
But he wasn't injured. He just couldn't perform after his injury. It was play related. While you can exclude him for whichever reason you choose, there comes a point where the number of exceptions are significant. The Spurs have cut like 20 percent of there last 15 first-rounders within two years. Maybe the belief that they would never do it again.
I don't think Bullock and Osman will have anything to do with Wesley playing time since the Spurs aren't trying to win anything this year. And if they were it sure as won't be because of Bullock and Osman.
Expect both to get the Thad Young treatment tbh. Gone at the deadline for some seconds. Bullock already did his job and got a 1st round pick swap in 7 years
Don’t really need a disabled player exception when you’re under the cap (and you also have the room exception available). These random expiring contracts, even if they’re guys who will never play, might be valuable in trades ahead of final roster cutdowns as teams often need to aggregate more salary into deals in order to make trades work.
So condescending for being such a total moron
He’s not popping in his second summer league even a little bit. I’d rather put Wemby around NBA players at this point. We aren’t a developmental team any longer. It’s all about what is best to build around Wemby. It’s very arguable but not certain that Wesley would be a waste of a roster spot and precious team resources (coaching, etc). In other words, the coffee is for closers.
Dammit man! Now I know what my late night movie is going to be...
Wesley isn't going anywhere this year.
This year still isn't going to be about winning. It's going to be an experimental season.
The Spurs have already come out and said they are rolling out the same team with minor changes to see what they have. Reason for all the minor moves the Spurs have made so far.
That's why we haven't seen any major trades to bring in anyone who will shake up what they had last year.
Thinking that Wesley being potentially cut is giving up on Development is SO STUPID.
There are other players who need to develop, and the Spurs should value having a good environment for them to develop in.
The Wesley (potential) cut would be valuing the development of Wemby / Sochan / Vassell / Champ / Bassey / Dom... with 48 minutes of competent PG play over Blake / Wemby / Sochan / Vassell / Champ / Bassey / Dom... with whatever amount below 48 minutes you get from Wesley playing PG minutes. You can judge either way on that, and the Spurs will judge based on camp, and what they see until then, and whether they can pull off a consolidation trade.
Entirely possible he's waived, not claimed, and the Spurs put him on the Austin roster with instructions of how he'd need to develop to be valued as a minimum salary pick up in year 3 by them / another team - Rim finishing, drop off passes, shooting off the dribble, etc.
That might be one of the most ridiculous things posted since the end of last season. Other than Doug, devonte, Keldon, and Devin, EVERYONE is on a development track.
not dleague I mean which is what we were until we hit the lottery. All those other players including even a player like Sidy have shown enough promise.
Man the collective takes by the forum on this issue get dumber and dumber.
We can look at this as a developmental thing or as a financial thing. Wesley just hasn't developed as quickly as some would like. He's no one special, the same has happened to many other better players for various assorted reasons, think Cam Reddish, talented but can't quite put it together - and on a minimum contract now. Pretty bad for a former top 10 pick on his fourth team - he's probably just an arrogant asshole or something.
Thing is the spurs do believe in development - you just have to show it. Champagnie over like 20 games developed his talent into a 4 year contract. Mamu also got a new contract. Wesley was told to go to summer league and show what he had and unfortunately it wasn't all that much. Rice and Sissoko took advantage of the situation and will probably get two way contracts. (Rice got one). Time may be running out for Wesley.
Financially, now that we are over the minimum salary floor and with extra players, it may make more sense to cut someone that makes 2.5 million as opposed to someone who makes 6 million plus like Bullock or Payne to keep us above the floor. So again the spurs have to do some smart moves now, rather than just throwing away a player and his salary. A smart trade or two would really help.
This isn't last year any more, just keeping so so players because we were tanking. With Wemby on board we are actually trying to win and that usually happens with players who don't need as much development time as Wesley.
Cut guaranteed contracts do not come of the cap, so there is no danger of dropping below the floor, no matter who gets cut. Short of an aggregating trade, our cap figure will not go lower.
They’ve had no press conferences for Cedi, Bullock, or Payne. No numbers have been assigned. If I’m one of the three, I don’t want to be a training camp cut, I want to be cut before training camp so I can catch on with a team with roster spots open
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