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    We have said if they use tactical nukes we would destroy the entire Russian force in Ukraine conventionally.
    Easy to do at this point. RUS capabilities have been degraded to the point where bombing the out of them with airpower would be a lot easier than it would be otherwise.

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    Did RG really just advocate NATO first use of nukes on Russia?

    That's just bat crazy.

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    Snaked thinks Ukraine wants to blow the facility.

    His news source.
    Putin.

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    We should clearly spell out a severe military response and make it very clear to Russian leadership what that is, enough to make it a deterrent.

    I would leave it to the military to figure out what would be most impactful. Depending on how bad the explosion was, I would be willing to support the use of nuclear weapons, yes. That would be proportional.

    Did RG really just advocate NATO first use of nukes on Russia?

    That's just bat crazy.
    Destroying a nuclear power plant would be equivalent to using nuclear weapons or a dirty bomb. What I said was I would be willing to support their use, but given how weak Russia really turned out to be (LOL DMC) we don't need to.

    The consequences of that should be very very clear to Russia. It is the only thing they understand, and man is Biden just bending over Putin on that now.

    Weak-ass Trump would just be lining up to kiss Putins ass still, as if Putin were some master strategist.

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    Destroying a nuclear power plant would be equivalent to using nuclear weapons or a dirty bomb. What I said was I would be willing to support their use, but given how weak Russia really turned out to be (LOL DMC) we don't need to.

    The consequences of that should be very very clear to Russia. It is the only thing they understand, and man is Biden just bending over Putin on that now.

    Weak-ass Trump would just be lining up to kiss Putins ass still, as if Putin were some master strategist.
    What worries me is the Russians are saying they are going to start targeting neutral trade vessels. That has been an avenue for a declaration of war multiple times in the last 100 years.

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    What worries me is the Russians are saying they are going to start targeting neutral trade vessels. That has been an avenue for a declaration of war multiple times in the last 100 years.
    Turkey is going to call his bluff. They have said they will escort ships.

    Seems the Turks have pivoted away from Putin, after trying to balance NATO/US and the Moscovy Empire for a long time.

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    Turkey is going to call his bluff. They have said they will escort ships.

    Seems the Turks have pivoted away from Putin, after trying to balance NATO/US and the Moscovy Empire for a long time.
    They require Ukrainian grain. If Putin decides to go after shipping anyway that only makes it worse though.

    The Turkish and Russian relationship is fundamentally unsustainable as long as Putin and Orthodoxy are in tandem. Between Putin's manifesto revitalizing the Czarist vision and orthodoxy really wanting the Hagia Sophia back, their core interests conflict.

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    They require Ukrainian grain. If Putin decides to go after shipping anyway that only makes it worse though.

    The Turkish and Russian relationship is fundamentally unsustainable as long as Putin and Orthodoxy are in tandem. Between Putin's manifesto revitalizing the Czarist vision and orthodoxy really wanting the Hagia Sophia back, their core interests conflict.
    A good deal of that grain is being transshipped to China as well.

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