Summer trades

[Mr. Body]

It's pretty unusual for a player to be washed at 30. I wonder what happened.

Too many cigarettes.

Dudes French.

[sfernald]

30 mpg? Johnson and Vassell might be the only Spurs who crack that number, with Wembanyama hovering around it.

If they trade for Fournier, it won't be about him so much as it'll be somewhat alleviating the roster crunch and if McDermott is involved, clearing a path for Champagnie.

I mean, 30 minutes is about what he has played besides last year (when he was benched for the year) for past 10 years or so, but if its 20 minutes maybe he’ll have more energy to play defense.

I thought this was an interesting quote from him about his last season with the Knicks:

"If you want to trade me with a good return, why didn't you use me? I was coming out of a season where I was the fourth-best 3-point shooter in the league. Why not take advantage of it?" Fournier told. "Now they won't get anything interesting and that's normal because I couldn't show anything [on the court]."

[Kurik]

Can you think of a single team starting a 6'2" SG that has won an NBA championship?

I hope the Spurs don’t have to go after a Mitc type of player whether that means Vassell makes another jump, Spurs draft well, or find a different player to trade for. But as it stands now there’s not a great list of free agents over the next couple years so I think it’s worth looking into. I just assume in 3-4 years Pop is gonna want to contend, either way I’m just excited to see how the Spurs build a contender.

[scott]

What are everyone's ideal consolidation trade? No wrong answers here, just wondering where people's heads are at.

At this point, I'm in the mood for a salary dump, pick collection more than anything else (which entails taking on salary going into 2024-25). Preferably something with a 2026 or 2028 FRP attached.

Then, depending on what the team has shown by then, I'm hoping at the deadline we can start entertaining the idea of moving some picks for high-end young-ish talent. Perhaps someone who is going to need a big extension but the team isn't in a place where they want to do that. (At this juncture, I have no clue who that may be). Looking for scenarios similar to when we traded DJM.

[spurraider21]

What are everyone's ideal consolidation trade? No wrong answers here, just wondering where people's heads are at.

At this point, I'm in the mood for a salary dump, pick collection more than anything else (which entails taking on salary going into 2024-25). Preferably something with a 2026 or 2028 FRP attached.

Then, depending on what the team has shown by then, I'm hoping at the deadline we can start entertaining the idea of moving some picks for high-end young-ish talent. Perhaps someone who is going to need a big extension but the team isn't in a place where they want to do that. (At this juncture, I have no clue who that may be). Looking for scenarios similar to when we traded DJM.

not sure how many big salary dump moves are really available. we dont have cap room to absorb cap hits this year anymore, so the only way we'd be helping a team in a salary dump move is sending over some expiring contracts for deals which run through the 24-25 season. not sure the FO wants to start piling on salary for that year, they've made an emphasis on keeping things flexible. when it comes to that type of deal, one that comes to mind is Lonzo Ball. chicago already owes us a 2025 protected first which is en bered through 2027. they could send the protected pick they have from portland (lottery protected from 2024 through 2028)

otherwise we'd have to wait until the deadline when teams realize that they are carrying dead weight and need to move off deals. right now a lot of squads are optimistic of their chances, and need to see things go poorly for half a season before they decide they need to shed contracts that they now realize are bad. that could be clint capela, caris levert, tim hardaway jr, zubac, larry nance, dennis schroder, etc. hard to know until we see how those teams season outlook is and what those players are performing like.

short of those kinds of deals, right now the most obvious consolidation trade is the potential one with Miami if they indeed trade for Lillard. they wouldnt need to keep kyle lowry around as a 30 mil backup PG, so we can trade some spare parts for him to help them fill the back end of their roster with some combination of playable vets like Payne/Graham/Bullock/Osman. that wouldnt really require trade compensation either way tbh. the spurs get a solid vet, playable PG for a year, while miami gets the spare parts they need after having lost Struss, Vincent, likely Herro and Robinson in the trade. its a win/win and both teams would just be swapping expiring deals

[Mr. Body]

What are everyone's ideal consolidation trade? No wrong answers here, just wondering where people's heads are at.

At this point, I'm in the mood for a salary dump, pick collection more than anything else (which entails taking on salary going into 2024-25). Preferably something with a 2026 or 2028 FRP attached.

Then, depending on what the team has shown by then, I'm hoping at the deadline we can start entertaining the idea of moving some picks for high-end young-ish talent. Perhaps someone who is going to need a big extension but the team isn't in a place where they want to do that. (At this juncture, I have no clue who that may be). Looking for scenarios similar to when we traded DJM.

Lowry makes the most sense.

Miami-Spurs have a good relationship. Spurs need veteran help at point. Heat will need depth if they make a Lillard trade.

[exstatic]

What are everyone's ideal consolidation trade? No wrong answers here, just wondering where people's heads are at.

At this point, I'm in the mood for a salary dump, pick collection more than anything else (which entails taking on salary going into 2024-25). Preferably something with a 2026 or 2028 FRP attached.

Then, depending on what the team has shown by then, I'm hoping at the deadline we can start entertaining the idea of moving some picks for high-end young-ish talent. Perhaps someone who is going to need a big extension but the team isn't in a place where they want to do that. (At this juncture, I have no clue who that may be). Looking for scenarios similar to when we traded DJM.

Lowry to consolidate, THEN pick up salary for next year at the trade deadline when you move him to a contender.

[Ariel]

What are everyone's ideal consolidation trade? No wrong answers here, just wondering where people's heads are at.

At this point, I'm in the mood for a salary dump, pick collection more than anything else (which entails taking on salary going into 2024-25). Preferably something with a 2026 or 2028 FRP attached.

Then, depending on what the team has shown by then, I'm hoping at the deadline we can start entertaining the idea of moving some picks for high-end young-ish talent. Perhaps someone who is going to need a big extension but the team isn't in a place where they want to do that. (At this juncture, I have no clue who that may be). Looking for scenarios similar to when we traded DJM.

I'd do a Bullock + Osman + Birch for Fournier + McBride. All contracts are expiring. Knicks get help on the wings and get rid of a distraction at the expense of taking in 4M more in salary. The Spurs consolidate 3 players into 1 (McBride makes just 1.8M and gets cut), Fournier is a good shooter who can help Wemby on and off the court. Small trade that works for both teams IMO, add a 2nd rounder from the Knicks if you must.

[spurraider21]

I'd do a Bullock + Osman + Birch for Fournier + McBride. All contracts are expiring. Knicks get help on the wings and get rid of a distraction at the expense of taking in 4M more in salary. The Spurs consolidate 3 players into 1 (McBride makes just 1.8M and gets cut), Fournier is a good shooter who can help Wemby on and off the court. Small trade that works for both teams IMO, add a 2nd rounder from the Knicks if you must.

Think birch is getting waived and we’d just send Payne instead

[Ariel]

Think birch is getting waived and we’d just send Payne instead

Well, that's the point: it's the Knicks who take on the 7M dead cap so that they can rid themselves of Fournier and not us. Payne can be used or flipped, the Knicks have plenty of guards already, but if they wanted him instead of Payne, sure: add draft compensation and he's yours.

[Chinook]

Think birch is getting waived and we’d just send Payne instead

If Birch's contract is getting partially paid by insurance, his deal might be more moveable than an expiring insta-cut contract would normally be. I would imagine the Holts would want to be the team getting paid to waive Khem, but if that savings is enough to get a team to give up a better asset, they might let the FO take that instead.

[Seventyniner]

Fournier makes no sense while McDermott is on the roster, especially with Champagnie waiting in the wings.

[CGD]

Fournier makes no sense while McDermott is on the roster, especially with Champagnie waiting in the wings.

Bro, it’s not about the player fit, it’s about moving contracts around and getting paid to do it.

[CGD]

not sure how many big salary dump moves are really available. we dont have cap room to absorb cap hits this year anymore, so the only way we'd be helping a team in a salary dump move is sending over some expiring contracts for deals which run through the 24-25 season. not sure the FO wants to start piling on salary for that year, they've made an emphasis on keeping things flexible. when it comes to that type of deal, one that comes to mind is Lonzo Ball. chicago already owes us a 2025 protected first which is en bered through 2027. they could send the protected pick they have from portland (lottery protected from 2024 through 2028)

otherwise we'd have to wait until the deadline when teams realize that they are carrying dead weight and need to move off deals. right now a lot of squads are optimistic of their chances, and need to see things go poorly for half a season before they decide they need to shed contracts that they now realize are bad. that could be clint capela, caris levert, tim hardaway jr, zubac, larry nance, dennis schroder, etc. hard to know until we see how those teams season outlook is and what those players are performing like.

short of those kinds of deals, right now the most obvious consolidation trade is the potential one with Miami if they indeed trade for Lillard. they wouldnt need to keep kyle lowry around as a 30 mil backup PG, so we can trade some spare parts for him to help them fill the back end of their roster with some combination of playable vets like Payne/Graham/Bullock/Osman. that wouldnt really require trade compensation either way tbh. the spurs get a solid vet, playable PG for a year, while miami gets the spare parts they need after having lost Struss, Vincent, likely Herro and Robinson in the trade. its a win/win and both teams would just be swapping expiring deals

Definitely Lowry, but I assume that’s not happening because he’ll ultimately be needed for the Dame trade.

Second I like Fournier in a 2 for 1.

Last I like Ball + FRP. It has to be worth it to commit to eat money into next year, but I think this fits the bill.

[CGD]

If Birch's contract is getting partially paid by insurance, his deal might be more moveable than an expiring insta-cut contract would normally be. I would imagine the Holts would want to be the team getting paid to waive Khem, but if that savings is enough to get a team to give up a better asset, they might let the FO take that instead.

Interesting point. Hadn’t considered the insurance angle. Not that the spurs care this year, but his contract figure still counts against the cap though right?

[CGD]

I'd do a Bullock + Osman + Birch for Fournier + McBride. All contracts are expiring. Knicks get help on the wings and get rid of a distraction at the expense of taking in 4M more in salary. The Spurs consolidate 3 players into 1 (McBride makes just 1.8M and gets cut), Fournier is a good shooter who can help Wemby on and off the court. Small trade that works for both teams IMO, add a 2nd rounder from the Knicks if you must.

Sign me up.

I get the impression Spurs like Bullock btw, and per spotrac seems he has a 5% trade kicker on his deal. Can see him sticking around this season.

[Ariel]

Bro, it’s not about the player fit, it’s about moving contracts around and getting paid to do it.

Clearly. If they can package some of those guys into a single player on an expiring contract who can arguably provide SOME value, it beats waiving those players and adding to the dead cap. And if you can get a pick or dump salary in the process (that you can later re-use), all the better. Fact of the matter is, if the Spurs want to make the most out of any of the guys we just received, it's going to take time for them to redeem themselves on the court, but the problem is the roster crunch must happen before the season, so something's got to give.

[Ariel]

Fournier makes no sense while McDermott is on the roster, especially with Champagnie waiting in the wings.

That'd be a valid concern if the Spurs were paying assets to get him, in this case we have too many roster spots and you won't find a deal that consolidates several players into one while saving money and maybe getting an asset (2nd rounder). Also McDermott is a prime trade candidate by the next trade deadline, giving Wemby a shooter who is also a countryman he'll have some ties with isn't the worst scenario in the context of realistic possibilities.

[Chinook]

I don't read any benefit of consolidation trades that don't involve the Spurs getting assets, saving salary space or getting better on the court. Simply having fewer players to waive isn't a benefit. I'd have no interest in a Fournier trade. It doesn't help that he'd have to be waived anyway. Basically all of the vets acquired this off-season have to go. A two- or even three-for one deal isn't enough.

[spurraider21]

I don't read any benefit of consolidation trades that don't involve the Spurs getting assets, saving salary space or getting better on the court. Simply having fewer players to waive isn't a benefit. I'd have no interest in a Fournier trade. It doesn't help that he'd have to be waived anyway. Basically all of the vets acquired this off-season have to go. A two- or even three-for one deal isn't enough.

It gives us more salary to work with in midseason trades. Ie if we waive bullock Osman and Payne that’s 3 less potential trade pieces. Consolidating preserved that. Maybe it’s overkill given just how many we already have to work with

then ask yourself if you’d rather have a year of Graham/Payne or Lowry on the team. Think we could use a steady vet like that to help the young guys out. It’s like if Dieng could actually contribute

[Mr. Body]

I don't read any benefit of consolidation trades that don't involve the Spurs getting assets, saving salary space or getting better on the court. Simply having fewer players to waive isn't a benefit. I'd have no interest in a Fournier trade. It doesn't help that he'd have to be waived anyway. Basically all of the vets acquired this off-season have to go. A two- or even three-for one deal isn't enough.

If you have to waive players before the season starts, you can't use their salary for deadline trades. They're gone. If you consolidate into a larger contract, you can hang onto it until the deadline so it stays valuable.

[Chinook]

It gives us more salary to work with in midseason trades. Ie if we waive bullock Osman and Payne that’s 3 less potential trade pieces. Consolidating preserved that. Maybe it’s overkill given just how many we already have to work with

then ask yourself if you’d rather have a year of Graham/Payne or Lowry on the team. Think we could use a steady vet like that to help the young guys out. It’s like if Dieng could actually contribute

Lowry and Fournier are different for a few reasons. Kyle would play; Evan would not. Having more salary for a worse player and a full roster isn't necessarily better. Most contenders will be nervous about adding to their tax and may not have the spare matching salary. Last deadline showed it's no easy to get a first for salary savings anymore. I'm not of the mind of the Spurs doing better selling the rights to an unhappy Fournier than they would Bullock's or Payne's

[Chinook]

If you have to waive players before the season starts, you can't use their salary for deadline trades. They're gone. If you consolidate into a larger contract, you can hang onto it until the deadline so it stays valuable.

Just responded to that. The Spurs have plenty of salary. They aren't missing out here. Folks are also way too confident that Fournier would make the team. I think it's far more likely that one of Bullock or Payne would.

[Seventyniner]

Bro, it’s not about the player fit, it’s about moving contracts around and getting paid to do it.

Why would the Knicks pay the Spurs to take Fournier? He's an expiring contract just like anybody the Spurs would send back.

[Robz4000]

Why would the Knicks pay the Spurs to take Fournier? He's an expiring contract just like anybody the Spurs would send back.

Isn't he under contract through next season?