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    UK guards tend to do well in the NBA, and he CRUSHED his brief stint in the gleague. 30/7/8.
    Yeah, I've watched him in College and in the NBA and was utterly unimpressed. I'm also not a fan of random connections like the Kentucky "magic" touch. Pass.

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    Yeah, I've watched him in College and in the NBA and was utterly unimpressed. I'm also not a fan of random connections like the Kentucky "magic" touch. Pass.
    Yeah, it’s not an occasional thing,more like 85% Hit relate, but you do you.

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    Yeah, it’s not an occasional thing,more like 85% Hit relate, but you do you.
    That's your logic? Because they've had a string of successful guards everyone following must also succeed? Is there some kind of reasoning behind it, or are you fond of magical thinking? BTW, call me heretic but I also think Cason Wallace is overrated.

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    That's your logic? Because they've had a string of successful guards everyone following must also succeed? Is there some kind of reasoning behind it, or are you fond of magic thinking?
    It’s not magic.. They get the best recruits in the country every year, usually 3 of the top 10, or even the top 5. Imagine an NBA team, one team, pulling 3 high lottery picks year after year.

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    It’s not magic.. They get the best recruits in the country every year, usually 3 of the top 10, or even the top 5. Imagine an NBA team, one team, pulling 3 high lottery picks year after year.
    They got a string of successful recruits so everyone following is a success by definition even if they suck on the court. Gotcha.

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    They got a string of successful recruits so everyone following is a success by definition even if they suck on the court. Gotcha.
    Top rated guards now WANT to go to UK, BECAUSE of this rep so yeah, the string continues and likely will until Calipari retires.

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    OKC would likely give him away for free if anyone could take him. I never understood the hype around him.
    I don’t think OKC got 35 picks over the next seven years by giving away players for free!

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    I don’t think OKC got 35 picks over the next seven years by giving away players for free!
    Ty Ty Washington got just salary dumped, if there was any interest in him he'd have gone elsewhere. He's not Paul George...

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    Thunder will want to squeeze anyone that wants Washington. They'll want a second rounder at least.

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    Ty Ty Washington got just salary dumped, if there was any interest in him he'd have gone elsewhere. He's not Paul George...
    . BY HOUSTON, THE DUMBEST ING TEAM ON THE PLANET.

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    After waving Rudy Gay, OKC has 5 players too many, this is what I think:
    Oladipo gets waived.
    Bertans is NOT waived, he's got too large a contract but next year is partially guaranteed, probably they'd like to see if any contender is interested by the trade deadline, when his contract will be shorter and more palatable
    Jack White signed a non guaranteed contract, he's likely to be waived.
    Ty Ty Washington is one of 100 combo guards, he needs to go. Unless they can package a few of them in a consolidation trade (say to a team such as Washington), he gets waived
    That leaves 2 places to go.
    Garuba is probably the one I'd be more interested in keeping given their roster construction. But they probably speculate on him doing well in FIBA worldcup and attracting interest. If he does, then I can see some team being willing to throw a 2nd rounder for him.
    Jeremiah Robinson Earl is another possible guy that could+
    I'd keep Tre Mann, but if they decide to part ways with him he can surely command a 2nd rounder from some team. He's pŕobably the guy I'm most interested in if cut, probably can be had for a 2nd rounder or some salary dump.
    Personally, I'd be done with the Poku experiment, but Presti is probably too attached.
    All in all, OKC has little leverage, and I don't see Ty Ty being the most interesting prospect of the bunch. I'd keep my eye on Tre Mann and Garuba, those two might return something (though not much).

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    . BY HOUSTON, THE DUMBEST ING TEAM ON THE PLANET.
    Laugh away, I'm bookmarking this thread for future bumping.

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    Laugh away, I'm bookmarking this thread for future bumping.
    Oooooh. Little Mermaid, I’m terrified that you have me on record saying that Houston was dumb for drafting a kid, and then one year later, salary dumping him after 31 games.

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    Oooooh. Little Mermaid, I’m terrified that you have me on record saying that Houston was dumb for drafting a kid, and then one year later, salary dumping him after 31 games.
    Feeling grumpy today? you just gave me flashbacks of elementary school, last time I've heard that reference was probably a 10 year old girl with double ponytail. Won't be able to get that image out of my head whenever you post
    If Houston was dumb it was in drafting Ty Ty rather than dumping him and I seriously doubt a guy every team passed on and had a horrible season will draw much interest from other teams, but for the record you may think whatever you like, what's ridiculous and infantile is the way you support your argument without any substance and going instead with "oh, but he played in Kentucky and a lot of guys from there did well". That logic is mindbogglingly re ed. Matches the humor I guess.
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    They got a string of successful recruits so everyone following is a success by definition even if they suck on the court. Gotcha.
    I get what you're trying to say but the other side of the argument should create some perspective for you.

    By your logic then scouting is magical wishful thinking, right? Recruiting history and pedigree does hold weight. It shows a consistent pattern of identifying talent that translates. Nothing magical about that.

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    After waving Rudy Gay, OKC has 5 players too many, this is what I think:
    Oladipo gets waived.
    Bertans is NOT waived, he's got too large a contract but next year is partially guaranteed, probably they'd like to see if any contender is interested by the trade deadline, when his contract will be shorter and more palatable
    Jack White signed a non guaranteed contract, he's likely to be waived.
    Ty Ty Washington is one of 100 combo guards, he needs to go. Unless they can package a few of them in a consolidation trade (say to a team such as Washington), he gets waived
    That leaves 2 places to go.
    Garuba is probably the one I'd be more interested in keeping given their roster construction. But they probably speculate on him doing well in FIBA worldcup and attracting interest. If he does, then I can see some team being willing to throw a 2nd rounder for him.
    Jeremiah Robinson Earl is another possible guy that could+
    I'd keep Tre Mann, but if they decide to part ways with him he can surely command a 2nd rounder from some team. He's pŕobably the guy I'm most interested in if cut, probably can be had for a 2nd rounder or some salary dump.
    Personally, I'd be done with the Poku experiment, but Presti is probably too attached.
    All in all, OKC has little leverage, and I don't see Ty Ty being the most interesting prospect of the bunch. I'd keep my eye on Tre Mann and Garuba, those two might return something (though not much).
    Tre Mann has that OKC dividend. He's not good but it's the Thunder so he's close to greatness, just wait. Poku probably is kept. He gets hurt all the time, but that covers for how bad he's been. Still worth keeping although Dieng is going to eat up his minutes.

    JRE is like Isaiah Roby for them at this point.

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    When first round draft picks start to struggle, the way their contract is structured hurt them. Teams have to decide whether or not they should keep them for the next season just after the current season training camp.

    Washington and Garuba aren't interesting with their current contract because of that. Wesley might also be cut by Spurs at the end of the training camp because of first round draft picks contract structure

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    When first round draft picks start to struggle, the way their contract is structured hurt them. Teams have to decide whether or not they should keep them for the next season just after the current season training camp.

    Washington and Garuba aren't interesting with their current contract because of that. Wesley might also be cut by Spurs at the end of the training camp because of first round draft picks contract structure
    If the structure was the issue the spurs could just decline to exercise Wesley’s option for 24-25, they don’t have to cut him

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    . BY HOUSTON, THE DUMBEST ING TEAM ON THE PLANET.
    If the Spurs do get a chance at TyTy that means the Thunder dumped him too. Given your comment, by definition you would have to have greater esteem for the Thunder's FO than that of the Rockets.

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    If the structure was the issue the spurs could just decline to exercise Wesley’s option for 24-25, they don’t have to cut him
    That decision has to be made a year in advance. When the Spurs cut Samanic just before the 2021-2022 season started they still had to pay him that season's salary because they had picked up that option a year earlier.

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    If the structure was the issue the spurs could just decline to exercise Wesley’s option for 24-25, they don’t have to cut him
    The issue is that at the end of the 2023-2024 season, Wesley would be an unrestricted free agent and Spurs would be forbidden to offer him a contract with a starting salary above the declined 2024-25 option of $2.6M.

    A player like Ayo Dosunmu got $21M/3 years while Spurs could only offer Wesley $8M/3 years. If Spurs don't pick Wesley's option and keep him, they won't be able to re-sign him as soon as he shows some good things.

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    That decision has to be made a year in advance. When the Spurs cut Samanic just before the 2021-2022 season started they still had to pay him that season's salary because they had picked up that option a year earlier.
    I just said that. The spurs can decline his 24-25 player option in a couple of months.

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    I just said that. The spurs can decline his 24-25 player option in a couple of months.
    If they cut him, it would be a roster decision which would not be resolved by declining his option for next year.

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    If the Spurs do get a chance at TyTy that means the Thunder dumped him too. Given your comment, by definition you would have to have greater esteem for the Thunder's FO than that of the Rockets.
    You might want to revisit the le of the thread. Also if OKC lets him go, they won’t pay anyone for the privilege, in fact they got paid to Take him.

    While i think Presti makes some sketchy picks, OKC is the gold standard for cap rental and management. Even if that weren’t the case, I’d have more respect for OKC than Houston, who seems to be turning into the new Knicks.
    Last edited by exstatic; 07-22-2023 at 03:01 PM.

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    If they cut him, it would be a roster decision which would not be resolved by declining his option for next year.
    Aren’t cutting him and declining his 24-25 option two separate transactions? It’s not like it’s a guarantee that automatically kicks in on a certain day if not cut. It’s an option the team exercises. Think they can retain him this year and just decline next years option. He just becomes unrestricted then

    or am i just flat wrong here

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