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Agreed. Twitter is pillaging the C's now, even some Celtic fans wondering WTF?
those expiring deals like bullock will be more valuable at the deadline than they are now... the problem is we will have to let several of them go well before the deadline
Agreed. Twitter is pillaging the C's now, even some Celtic fans wondering WTF?
Which is why you do a combination trade like Lowry, for example. He can be a locker room presence, play a few minutes, and be flipped to a contender at the deadline for an asset or two. Miami also needs a bench, which we can provide for them.
If the cap really does go up 10% every single year, Wemby might be the first player to make $100M in one season.
The cap is $136M this season. 10% compounded over 8 seasons makes $291M and 35% of that for the supermax is $102M. That would be in 2031-2032.
An interesting read about Herro:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/n...e-way-players/
"The league as a whole has become really skeptical of these one-way guys," an Eastern Conference scout told CBS Sports. "Everyone thinks in terms of the playoffs now. It used to be, if you could score 20 points, you were a dude. No questions asked. But now, if you have a weakness, if you can't hold your own on the defensive end, unless you're a franchise guy, you're going to get played off the court."
we dont know much about what the celtics will look like in the 27-28 season leading up to that draft, other than jaylen brown being under contract for about 60-65 mil or so depending on how much the cap has increased. tatum presumably will sign a comparable supermax and be under contract at the same time. this is 2 years after KP's extension has expired, 3 years after white/brogdon's current contracts are up.
but it would be tatum's age 29 season and brown's age 31 season, so there should be a relatively stable floor even if the rest of the roster is ass.
boston also has no outgoing FRP on the books prior to the swap year, so they should have the ability to supplement the roster (in fact, they are set to receive an additional FRP in 2024 from golden state). they also have a handful of incoming SRPs between now and then
agreed, i've been an advocate of a lowry trade. but thats contingent on a lillard deal getting done. right now lowry is the only PG on the heat roster
Last edited by spurraider21; 07-25-2023 at 12:48 PM.
Jaylen Brown is probably the best current case subject for the raw stats vs advanced stats debate. His raw stats say "star," at 26.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, and 3.5 apg, but the impact numbers tell a totally different story. He had a 110/111 ORtg/DRtg on a 57-25 team, and his on/off per 100 possessions was a -3.8. He had the 5th best VORP on his team, 6th best BPM, and 11th best WS/48.
This is a case where a team overpays to keep talent because replacing the player is nearly impossible. It reminds me of the Clippers paying OKC through the nose to sign Kawhi and acquire Paul George. It's nearly destroyed them since.
Yeah, it's a tough spot to be in-- rumors say the Celts explored trade options for Brown, especially for Durant. I wonder if there were trade offers that they rejected-- I'd love to see those, because I'm just not convinced that Brown as your #2 guy gets you a championship without incredible depth.
The sad thing is, those trade offers were likely at the Feb. deadline, before the implementation of the second apron. If they knew then what they know now, maybe a hypothetical 75 cents on the dollar offer would have been accepted.
Brown isn't a good #2 because he's never accepted that is what he is.
Right, and the bigger problem might be that he isn't even a great #2-- which might be what Brad Stevens thinks too and why he decided they needed Porzingis, so they could have a 2a + 2b situation.
Considering he's basically a poor man's S bag, suffice it to say I'm no Brown fan.
But people need to stop being consumed with dollar figures and term and starting being consumed with % of cap and asset retention.
Instead of having him unhappy with them, they've eliminated a looming distraction, can continue to contend in the short term with him, then reassess at that point and instead of him dissuading non glamor markets with the threat of not re-signing, they can cast a wider net and maximize value if push comes to shove.
I'm not sure they can do that. The pairing appears dysfunctional.
If he learns how to dribble left handed then that’s the only way this will be a good contract.
I didn't say win one (no superstar + lack of a high end play maker), but barring significant injury, they've proven they're a virtual lock to be in the mix every season.
Do that enough and maybe one season they get some Warriors/Raptors luck and fall ass backwards into one.
dysfunctional is a strong word lol. they were one game away from making the finals this season. made the finals the year before.
going into this season feels like they have about as good a chance as anybody to win. just because they havent won yet doesnt mean they are't capable of it. the spurs fumbling against okc in 2012 and miami in 2013 didnt mean they had to blow the team up
The Celtics might be less than the sum of their parts, but those parts are still pretty good. They should be at least a darkhorse contender for the next few years.
They should continue to contend. Miami had kind of a fluke run and the rest of the EC is omnishambles.
IMO, the main bullet point takeaway for me as it pertains to the Spurs is that we should in no cir stances be counting on some future FA class where we'll be able to add a second star. Stars don't become FA anymore, and the ones that do aren't real FAs (I'm thinking of a marginal star like Lavine last season. He was set for FA but as far as I can remember, no one else even had a chance to make an offer). The Spurs are going to have to draft or trade for the second star next to Wemby.
And honestly it might not even be enough to retain all of the NBA's biggest stars. Once the Saudi's decide they want to create a premium basketball league, they'll start tossing around $300-500MM deals at the NBA's top stars, and who will blame some of these guys for taking it. Saudi being willing to pay $776MM for one season of Mbappe is going to shake up the sports landscape.
I'm not sure the Saudi stuff is sustainable. It's also so crazy it suggests to me something really bad/wild is going on internally they're trying to get in front of. It's already a corrupt and decadent regime, but this is stupidly, splashily wasteful in a bizarre way.
I agree it's not sustainable - but I'm not sure it signals anything corrupt going on beyond the normal corruption and human rights abuse that exists in that regime. It's hard to understand the endgame though. Say they land Giannis and Jokic both at 2/800MM... okay, then what? It's not like that makes a compelling league that will sustain into the future. It's weird, but I also hold nothing against a player who cashes in and takes the bag.
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