Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

[Blake]

You're asking me a loaded question by framing it around only the NHI possibility.

I'll answer for both outcomes if you're truly interested.

I think either the "insiders" Grusch is whistleblowing against are hiding very human black projects, or hiding exactly what Grusch claims - NHI tech and biological material. I don't know if that means "spaceships" and "little green men". Again, it doesn't seem Grusch is alluding to literal space aliens.

Obviously the former is more likely. Either is crazy, however, and that's fine to admit although not impossible (imho).

We should all want the truth whatever it is.

A loaded question would be more like "what color do you think the aliens will be?"

This is just for fun. You seem to think there's something important someone is hiding. What's your best guess?

[TimDunkem]

A loaded question would be more like "what color do you think the aliens will be?"

This is just for fun. You seem to think there's something important someone is hiding. What's your best guess?

I didn't mean to say it was intentional or anything. Again, it's hard to decide on either or. Occam's Razor would say it's black budget tech - perhaps some exotic form of propulsion squirreled away as to not disrupt current profitable industries like big oil? But you would also have to say anti-grav or some other new physics was unlocked pre-WWII which is as wild as NHI/aliens/whatever.

I'd love that the non human claims are true. If not ET, then I couldn't begin to speculate without going full "woo". If ET, perhaps some form of AI intelligence that arrived conventionally long ago created by very real flesh and bone beings? Or perhaps they cracked some unknown physics long ago and getting here and hiding is trivial...I'm open to all possibilities.

Fun stuff. No one will believe the latter without a long custody chain of evidence however.

[Blake]

One of the things I noticed when i watched the latest UFO do entary on Nat Geo is that nearly none of the hundreds of accounts of the UFO are similar in the type of craft(s) they saw.

[TSA]

A monumental UFO scandal is looming

The decades-long saga of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) is barreling headlong toward one of two stunning conclusions.

Either the U.S. government has mounted an extraordinary, decades-long coverup of UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering activities, or elements of the defense and intelligence establishment are engaging in a staggeringly brazen psychological disinformation campaign.

Either possibility would have profound implications for democracy, the role of government and perhaps also humanity’s place in the cosmos.

For these reasons, it is imperative that Congress and federal law enforcement agencies devote significant resources to investigating a series of remarkable UFO-related developments.

Importantly, a third explanation for recent events — that dozens of high-level, highly-cleared officials have come to believe enduring UFO myths, rumors and speculation as fact — appears increasingly unlikely.

In June, U.S. Air Force veteran and former intelligence official David Grusch alleged that elements of the U.S. government have secretly and illegally overseen a decades-long UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering effort. Two defense officials corroborated the broad contours of Grusch’s stunning claims.

Grusch has stated that he provided a wealth of highly classified evidence to the powerful internal investigative agencies overseeing the Department of Defense and the U.S intelligence community, but he has not presented any such evidence publicly.

However, the officials and lawmakers who have reviewed Grusch’s classified evidence are taking his extraordinary allegations seriously.

The inspector general of the intelligence community deemed Grusch’s allegations that UFO-related information was inappropriately concealed from Congress “credible and urgent.” Senate Intelligence Vice Chairman Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) confirmed the inspector general’s finding.

I. Charles McCullough, III, the intelligence community’s first inspector general and now an attorney in private practice, represents Grusch and sat directly behind him during a July 26 congressional hearing. It is extremely unlikely that such a high-profile lawyer and former top federal official would represent anyone making the kinds of extraordinary claims that Grusch is without robust evidence.

When asked during the July 26 congressional hearing whether he believes that the U.S. government possesses UFOs, Grusch stated, “Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years.”

Grusch continued, “I know the exact locations [of retrieved UFOs], and those locations were provided to the inspector general and…to the [congressional] intelligence committees.” Critically, Grusch stated, “I actually had the people with the first-hand knowledge provide a protected disclosure to the inspector general.”

It is unlikely that Grusch, speaking to Congress under oath, would perjure himself so brazenly over such specific, falsifiable facts, particularly with his high-profile attorney sitting directly behind him.

To that end, it is safe to assume that more than three dozen individuals did indeed tell Grusch of a decades-long UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering program, and that those with “first-hand knowledge” provided corroborating information to the intelligence community inspector general.

One theory for Grusch’s allegations is that the individuals he interviewed became convinced that decades-old myths and rumors of ultra-secret UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering programs are true. However, given the significant penalties for making false statements to an inspector general, it is extremely unlikely that multiple high-level, highly-cleared officials would falsely claim to have first-hand knowledge of myths and rumors.

Rubio and Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.), a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, have stated that multiple individuals with first-hand knowledge of Grusch’s allegations have spoken to Congress.

Rubio put it succinctly: “Either what [Grusch] is saying is partially true or entirely true, or we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government who are crazy and are leading us on a goose chase.”

“Most of these people,” Rubio continued, “have held very high clearances and high positions within our government. So, you ask yourself: ‘What incentive would so many people with that kind of qualification — these are serious people — have to come forward and make something up?’”

This leaves two extraordinary possibilities — that Grusch is correct and elements within and outside of the U.S. government oversee a decades-old UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering effort – a profound, paradigm-shifting development — or, to quote Grusch, “multiple esteemed and credentialed current and former” government officials “with a long-standing track record of legitimacy and service to this country” are engaging in a brazen disinformation campaign.

For their part, key lawmakers are taking Grusch’s allegations extremely seriously.

On July 13, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) introduced a measure that asserts eminent domain over “any and all recovered technologies of unknown origin…that may be controlled by private persons or en ies.” It also defines and contains two dozen references to “non-human intelligence,” a term used frequently by Grusch to denote the uncertain origin of highly advanced technology allegedly retrieved. Such efforts are referred to as a “legacy program” in Schumer’s legislation.

In an in-depth NewsNation interview, Grusch also alleged that non-human remains have been recovered from UFOs. Schumer’s legislation requires that any “biological evidence of non-human intelligence” held by private companies be turned over to the federal government “in the interests of the public good.”

On June 22, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), along with Rubio and two other Republican senators, introduced legislation that would immediately halt funding for precisely the types of illegal, unreported programs described by Grusch.

The bill also instructs individuals with knowledge of such UFO-related activities to disclose all relevant information. It grants legal immunity if the information is reported appropriately within a defined timeframe.

Meanwhile, Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) and Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.), who spearheaded the 26 July congressional hearing featuring Grusch and two former naval aviators, are leading a bipartisan effort to establish a select committee to investigate Grusch’s allegations.

As Rubio stated, if Grusch is correct, “there’s a group of people who believe that they possess something that they don’t need to share with anybody, including elected officials, who they view as temporary employees of the government.”

Rubio likened such a dynamic to “an internal military complex that’s their own government and is accountable to no one” which, ultimately, “would be a huge problem, if it’s even partially true.”

Although such revelations would shake public trust in government to its core, that trust might be rebuilt upon the paradigm-shifting knowledge that humanity is not alone in the cosmos.

Marik von Rennenkampff served as an analyst with the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of International Security and non-proliferation, as well as an Obama administration appointee at the U.S. Department of Defense.

https://thehill.com/opinion/technolo...al-is-looming/

[Ef-man]

tl;dr

Where is alien craft for everyone to go see or is it about more second hand allegations?

[Blake]

Lol "one of two conclusions"

You guys seriously can't think of more than two?

[ElNono]

If I had a dollar for every ‘likely’, ‘extremely likely’, ‘extremely unlikely’ on that wall of text…

[ChumpDumper]

If OP believes aliens walk among us why does he still care about Hunter Biden's pics?

[HemisfairArena]

The day Nono and Chumper have a logical stance will be the first time,,,,,

[ChumpDumper]

The day Nono and Chumper have a logical stance will be the first time,,,,,

If aliens walk among us, are Hunter Biden pics still important to you?

[HemisfairArena]

If aliens walk among us, are Hunter Biden pics still important to you?

Where did I say aliens walk among us and Biden pics are important?,,,i'll wait for your response to prove that because otherwise you are just a dumb who stereotypes people,,,,so lets see it, chumper,,,

[ChumpDumper]

Where did I say aliens walk among us and Biden pics are important?,,,i'll wait for your response to prove that because otherwise you are just a dumb who stereotypes people,,,,so lets see it, chumper,,,

That's why I used the word "if."

you really don't know anything

[Ef-man]

That's why I used the word "if."

you really don't know anything

Like Yam s, he needs a spokesman to explain what the he is saying.

[Blake]

The day Nono and Chumper have a logical stance will be the first time,,,,,

It's illogical to vote for Trump in 2024 but you will be three bright and early at the booth with your maga trucker cap on

[Nbadan]

im not dismissing the possibility. but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. the testimony of a guy who has a lot of "i heard from people involved with the project" that aliens have visited us through interdimensional travel, who has also claimed that mussolini was involved in a cover up that the pope, through back channels, alerted the US to, is simply not enough for me to take this kind of stuff seriously

pilots seeing things they cant explain is noteworthy. but saying we cant explain it is different from confidently asserting its an extraterrestrial aircraft. while they did make visual contact with an object they couldnt explain, a lot of the hype around, say, the famous tic tac stuff is what the sensors picked up (ie seeing it at 80k feet, then down to some much lower al ude, then some speed, etc), and not what was actually seen. imo its more plausible that sensors had an issue than happening to pick up an advanced alien craft.

...man made ufos, limitless zero point energy, up to 70 extra terrestrial species.....a secret powerful cabal dominates the world...that is reality according to Dr. Steven Greer...

[Nbadan]

scaler waves

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bpjvp5daP1w

[spurraider21]

...man made ufos, limitless zero point energy, up to 70 extra terrestrial species.....a secret powerful cabal dominates the world...that is reality according to Dr. Steven Greer...

Oh so he’s a quack

[HemisfairArena]

It's illogical to vote for Trump in 2024 but you will be three bright and early at the booth with your maga trucker cap on

You liberals are sure educated,,,,,

[Blake]

You liberals are sure educated,,,,,

At least my error was spell check. Your grammar is re ed on purpose.

[Blake]

...man made ufos, limitless zero point energy, up to 70 extra terrestrial species.....a secret powerful cabal dominates the world...that is reality according to Dr. Steven Greer...

Is this someone important or something?

[pgardn]

...man made ufos, limitless zero point energy, up to 70 extra terrestrial species.....a secret powerful cabal dominates the world...that is reality according to Dr. Steven Greer...

He was a doctor of medicine so of course he is an expert.
wtf is it with people thinking Doctors cant possibly be quacks. Even PHDs...?
This guy has made much more money on his UFO books than he did in the emergency room.

Put some letters behind a name and they know all...
Why dont you look into their background next time you put this horse up?
UFO ologist....
Weil it could be possible couldn't it? And this is how we got to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[SnakeBoy]

Mexican aliens are really small

[koriwhat]

Mexican aliens are really small

LMFAO What a bs scam but then again it's MX so... Concrete aliens it is!

[Ef-man]

When even joey calls snaks out, as he even he does not believe the bull .

[Ef-man]

muh UFOs

No evidence that UFOs have extraterrestrial origins, NASA finds

A panel of scientific experts commissioned by NASA to study “unidentified anomalous phenomena,” more widely known as UFOs, said Thursday that it found no evidence that any of the reported objects were extraterrestrial in origin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...port-uap-panel