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    Always wonder what Sampson's career would have been like had he declared in 82 and gone to the Lakers. That would have been the perfect situation for him
    Not to be discounted at all is the benefit of LakerRef.

    While the East had Robert Parish, Barkley, Mo Malone, Rutledge and others going at it Kream was pussyfooted by Laker Stern and the super soft West after he took out Houston.

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    Always wonder what Sampson's career would have been like had he declared in 82 and gone to the Lakers. That would have been the perfect situation for him and played to all the strengths in his game without beating him up down low. By 86 the players wanted Kareem out because he couldn't run with them.
    Bah the Lakers drafted Worthy in 82, it was the perfect addition

    The Lakers had some ty players tbh, the fact the players wanted him out for that reason while he had other strengths and the fact Pat Riley could make adjustments, which he did, is verry ty tbh

    In 1992, Scott and Green said Magic shouldn’t play the ASG because he was retired.
    I’m sure they meant another reason, but that’s what they said
    Very supportive:

    Magic was a coach killer.
    Riley thought he was bigger than the team in 89-90 and micromanaged everything (at least he admitted his mistake a few years later in an interview).
    Magic led a mutiny that included Coop, Scott and Green and Riley left.



    Worthy and Rambis seem to be good dudes though

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    wtf I meant Clyde
    That's my point though. Preference is one thing, but that's not what so many have claimed.

    It's like the term wing wasn't in the lexicon yet.

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    Magic was a coach killer.
    1981 Playoff elimination loss to Houston 89-86.

    ic:
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    6-11 FTs

    Lakers team 22-35 FTs
    Rockets 21-22

    Magic I want a new coach

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    1981 Playoff elimination loss to Houston 89-86.

    ic:
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    6-11 FTs

    Lakers team 22-35 FTs
    Rockets 21-22

    Magic I want a new coach
    “it’s not fun anymore I want to run”

    Riley : “well, both Dr Buss and Magic want fancy ball, so I guess we’ll run if I want to keep my job”

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    1981 Playoff elimination loss to Houston 89-86.

    ic:
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    6-11 FTs

    Lakers team 22-35 FTs
    Rockets 21-22

    Magic I want a new coach

    ...and he's the 1 who led us out of the darkness. Without him we'd still be hiding under the furniture afraid to show our faces Vs. Boston. A Black man took White men and fellow Blacks to the promised land, freed West from cruising Los Angeles while the games were being fought over. Freed Dale from cruising the streets of Cleveland while the games were being fought over. Took the yoke of leadership from Jabbar and made him whole once and again.

    And Magic did it all thru goodness and acknowledged compe ion, not thru hatred and a quest for vengeance, which was and remains Dale's way whether it was the Celtics then, or President Trump now and for the rest of my life. Magic slain the Celtics with kindness and the spirit of goodness thru our shared compe ion, not to fool them, but to engage them on a plain where the 2 teams/franchises had never ventured nor dwelled.

    Magic is akin to SS...who christened us with (Rocky) and with "Rambo, John J.?"

    Yes, GD, yes, these 2 men did it for the $, but also for the divinity their boundless, fearless labors delivered unto us all.

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    S2 E2

    Did ic really fail to hit wide open players and instead choke an airball to end the Lakers season in Houston Game 3 elimination?
    Here it is folks:

    Did Westhead really Veto David Thompson for Norm Nixon? Lakers were playing well with Nixon.

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    Did ic really fail to hit wide open players and instead choke an airball to end the Lakers season in Houston Game 3 elimination?
    Here it is folks:

    Did Westhead really Veto David Thompson for Norm Nixon? Lakers were playing well with Nixon.

    Absolutely. Then after the '84 debacle(s)Dallas/Boston he grabbed the proverbial "jacks & timbers and started back down"...taught himself how to shoot from outside and that was his/our deliverance. Boston tried to end him/us in '84 and came this||close to achieving that end. But instead drawing inward/hiding as West, Baylor, Dale, Jabbar, et al had done time immemorial Johnson did the opposite and flourished and the glorious man took us with him.

    It was his finest hour.

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    Ep 3 The Second Coming

    Baseline Bum or others with tech skill we have got to get this scene into a one stop YouTube or Twitter that we can click on.
    I mean it is classic i am sure you will agree.
    Magic summer of 81 is at a basketball camp in Lansing. He tells the kids to let the ball roll off their fingers when shooting. Takes a shot, makes it and says "See, easy as pie."
    Oh my cue the Lansing kids responses:

    1 So easy why aint you do that against Houston? (81 choker airball to end the game and Laker playoffs)
    2 That was one of the worst shots I've ever seen im my life, AND I'VE BEEN AROUND A WHILE."
    3 Ended the whole damn season. Shame, shame shame.

    It goes on, you guys will see it.

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    Props to the producers and writers for totally going into the Lakers 81 playoff loss and offseason. Included is a ton of Bird background.
    I knew his dad died but did not know it was suicide. Phuck! Was it in part because Larry left Indiana U?

    Westhead indeed gets power trippy and Bum is there where you will tell us Pearlmans book says as much?
    Cutting Chones and going to CheapShotChak they made it seem like Westheads the driving force behind that move.

    As to giving ic a HUGE contract extension, WTH was up with that? Did Buss really believe / know that ic would have a long career? Coming off that knee injury airball?
    Wow. Wonder if the TV deals had already been scammed in place between Buss, Stern and the NBA corruption?
    Timing just seems weird that ic would be given the huge extension in summer 81 vs summer 82 when they won Champ 2 of 3.

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    Props to the producers and writers for totally going into the Lakers 81 playoff loss and offseason. Included is a ton of Bird background.
    I knew his dad died but did not know it was suicide. Phuck! Was it in part because Larry left Indiana U?

    Westhead indeed gets power trippy and Bum is there where you will tell us Pearlmans book says as much?
    Cutting Chones and going to CheapShotChak they made it seem like Westheads the driving force behind that move.

    As to giving ic a HUGE contract extension, WTH was up with that? Did Buss really believe / know that ic would have a long career? Coming off that knee injury airball?
    Wow. Wonder if the TV deals had already been scammed in place between Buss, Stern and the NBA corruption?
    Timing just seems weird that ic would be given the huge extension in summer 81 vs summer 82 when they won Champ 2 of 3.
    See, Mult, MSM protected White Bird. Until this very moment I didn't know his father had done the Dutch. That's how it went then...Celtics were protected, that was rule number 1. Rule #2? Obey all rules.

    You've enjoyed (that) protection as well. When Duncan's White wife left him in the middle of the Finals, nary mention was made of that outside this site. Cost you that NBA World le, though you did get the $ when you sold your before departing South Florida.

    muhahahahahaha!!!

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    Ep 3 The Second Coming

    Baseline Bum or others with tech skill we have got to get this scene into a one stop YouTube or Twitter that we can click on.
    I mean it is classic i am sure you will agree.
    Magic summer of 81 is at a basketball camp in Lansing. He tells the kids to let the ball roll off their fingers when shooting. Takes a shot, makes it and says "See, easy as pie."
    Oh my cue the Lansing kids responses:

    1 So easy why aint you do that against Houston? (81 choker airball to end the game and Laker playoffs)
    2 That was one of the worst shots I've ever seen im my life, AND I'VE BEEN AROUND A WHILE."
    3 Ended the whole damn season. Shame, shame shame.

    It goes on, you guys will see it.
    ...and we did see it, took Magic 2 more seasons after the '82 Championship to look inward and not fall into the depths of that West, Baylor, Jabbar, Dale, et al had fallen into time immorical. "Oh, poor me." "Oh, Dale, what are you going to do now?". You know the drill, Mult. The Celtics knew, absolutely knew beyond any other thought that he was the key to their survival and went after him with vicious vengeance. Instead of hollering back and losing his cool like Dale did, you know what that glorious Black man did, Mult? Taught himself how to shoot from outside twixt June of '84...went to Massachusetts on 9 June 1985, and left those s where he found 'em, dead in the ground.

    2 seasons later we left those s in Los Angeles, once and again...dead in the ground.

    & once again, Mult, my heartfelt thanks for leaving the Suns...dead in the ground.

    - Dale

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    See, Mult, MSM protected White Bird. Until this very moment I didn't know his father had done the Dutch. That's how it went then...Celtics were protected, that was rule number 1. Rule #2? Obey all rules.

    You've enjoyed (that) protection as well. When Duncan's White wife left him in the middle of the Finals, nary mention was made of that outside this site. Cost you that NBA World le, though you did get the $ when you sold your before departing South Florida.

    muhahahahahaha!!!
    What the ? Both events were well known. They talked about Bird senior suicide over the phone in books and basketball do entaries. They talked about Duncan’s divorce on news articles. Stop trying to rewrite history.

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    What the ? Both events were well known. They talked about Bird senior suicide over the phone in books and basketball do entaries. They talked about Duncan’s divorce on news articles. Stop trying to rewrite history.
    I don't have to, it's right there in Florida. No mention was made about Duncan's problems during those finals. When he missed that bunny nary mention was made of his White wife & the Mexican. When he bent over and smacked that Florida wood nary mention was made of any of it. He-was-left-alone, by prior arrangement and guarantees. You know what (they) was waiting on don't ya, amb? Yeah, you know. They was waitin' for him to persevere thru it..."Yes, Tim Duncan has persevered thru family issues that we need not get into because he has succeeded where others have failed...(wink & nod to Kobe before he augered in there on that CA. hillside)...Tim Duncan, under the au es of arguably the greatest coach in NBA history after Red Auerbach of the Boston Celtics helped his center by counseling him to 'Keep going, Tim. You can do it, son.' And Tim Duncan has done it. Oh, has he done it. And to their credit the Miami Heat players, every last one are in full of support of Tim Duncan, yes, I kid you not. We're going to take a station break now so that the Spurs can sell their before heading back to the Texas Republic."

    You can sell your to these other guys, amb, but don't try it on me. I know precisely where that old bear s in the buckwheat, son. Now,

    Let us proceed...

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    Props to the producers and writers for totally going into the Lakers 81 playoff loss and offseason. Included is a ton of Bird background.
    I knew his dad died but did not know it was suicide. Phuck! Was it in part because Larry left Indiana U?

    Westhead indeed gets power trippy and Bum is there where you will tell us Pearlmans book says as much?
    Cutting Chones and going to CheapShotChak they made it seem like Westheads the driving force behind that move.

    As to giving ic a HUGE contract extension, WTH was up with that? Did Buss really believe / know that ic would have a long career? Coming off that knee injury airball?
    Wow. Wonder if the TV deals had already been scammed in place between Buss, Stern and the NBA corruption?
    Timing just seems weird that ic would be given the huge extension in summer 81 vs summer 82 when they won Champ 2 of 3.
    According to Pearlman the players hated Westhead's offense he brought in for 80-81. Like it was some simplistic highschool where players went to the same spots every possession instead of the wide open McKinney offense they won the 79-80 le with. Westhead had to go and I don't think it reflects badly on Magic at all for getting him out of there so they could go back to running McKinney's offense under Riley.

    Also Buss made that offer because he knew it was way less than what Magic was worth. For instance, by 84-85 Bird was pulling nearly $2 million a year. Though Buss ended up renegotiating that $25 million deal with Magic anyways for 87-88 once it was clear Magic's market value was far more than $1 million a year.
    Last edited by baseline bum; 08-21-2023 at 10:46 AM.

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    See, Mult, MSM protected White Bird. Until this very moment I didn't know his father had done the Dutch. That's how it went then...Celtics were protected, that was rule number 1. Rule #2? Obey all rules.

    You've enjoyed (that) protection as well. When Duncan's White wife left him in the middle of the Finals, nary mention was made of that outside this site. Cost you that NBA World le, though you did get the $ when you sold your before departing South Florida.

    muhahahahahaha!!!
    God damn you're a casual, cubby. How the does any 80s fan not know Bird's dad killed himself?

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    God damn you're a casual, cubby. How the does any 80s fan not know Bird's dad killed himself?
    I done told ya, bum; they quashed that fact in the circa to protect him and the Boston Celtics, Incorporated. It was common practice then and is still practiced in this circa. Sure, it's swapped out White for Black, but it's still there, just in a divergent form to accommodate Black instead of White.

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    Also Buss made that offer because he knew it was way less than what Magic was worth. For instance, by 84-85 Bird was pulling nearly $2 million a year.
    But the timing. After Magics choke job, wasn't his knee in question?
    Or did Buss have enough Laker Dr.s look at it and declare no problems going forward?
    Just seems like that offer after the 1982 Chip would have made much more sense.

    But again, i do not underestimate how much ref and NBA that Buss may have been sucking to set up a marketing deal far in advance.
    The Laker Way.

    I'm tryna find YouTube of the Celts - Sixers Game 3 in 1982 that put the Celts in a hole down 2-1. 99-97 would like to see how the final shots came down.
    Major disappointment by the Sixers in 82 Finals.

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    I see what you mean Bum, Pearlmans book fills in a lot of the Qs.
    Gracias.

    Winning Time: How bad did things get with the Lakers after 1981 collapse? - Silver Screen and Roll

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    But the timing. After Magics choke job, wasn't his knee in question?
    Or did Buss have enough Laker Dr.s look at it and declare no problems going forward?
    Just seems like that offer after the 1982 Chip would have made much more sense.

    But again, i do not underestimate how much ref and NBA that Buss may have been sucking to set up a marketing deal far in advance.
    The Laker Way.

    I'm tryna find YouTube of the Celts - Sixers Game 3 in 1982 that put the Celts in a hole down 2-1. 99-97 would like to see how the final shots came down.
    Major disappointment by the Sixers in 82 Finals.
    Only pussies & assholes blame the officiating, Mult.

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    ...you have to find bottom and hit it direct in order to rise, sweetheart. We hit said bottom in the Summer of '84.

    Magic grabbed the requisite number of jacks & timbers, whipped his Lakers + Dale like an overseer and started back down sworn to a 100-game grailed quest ending in Massachusetts on 9 June 1985.

    Let us proceed...

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    I don't have to, it's right there in Florida. No mention was made about Duncan's problems during those finals. When he missed that bunny nary mention was made of his White wife & the Mexican. When he bent over and smacked that Florida wood nary mention was made of any of it. He-was-left-alone, by prior arrangement and guarantees. You know what (they) was waiting on don't ya, amb? Yeah, you know. They was waitin' for him to persevere thru it..."Yes, Tim Duncan has persevered thru family issues that we need not get into because he has succeeded where others have failed...(wink & nod to Kobe before he augered in there on that CA. hillside)...Tim Duncan, under the au es of arguably the greatest coach in NBA history after Red Auerbach of the Boston Celtics helped his center by counseling him to 'Keep going, Tim. You can do it, son.' And Tim Duncan has done it. Oh, has he done it. And to their credit the Miami Heat players, every last one are in full of support of Tim Duncan, yes, I kid you not. We're going to take a station break now so that the Spurs can sell their before heading back to the Texas Republic."

    You can sell your to these other guys, amb, but don't try it on me. I know precisely where that old bear s in the buckwheat, son. Now,

    Let us proceed...
    Buddy, not being known at the moment is very different from not known. In fact, spurstalk didn’t know about it then because the spurs kept it in house. He was t going through a divorce then. He was getting cucked.

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    Buddy, not being known at the moment is very different from not known. In fact, spurstalk didn’t know about it then because the spurs kept it in house. He was t going through a divorce then. He was getting cucked.
    Sure, your people kept it tight and then were assisted in keeping it tight from MSM. They'd a had a in' field day with a large market specimen, but, you're lucky, same here in this hidden away desert. These (2 areas) are where MSM can brag at their smokers that they "did it right and kept it private. See, we're not the animals you make us out to be, harumphh!" Then they immediately target some poor schmuck in a large market and blast his hair all over the walls, some of collateral damage because they were FORCED to lay off in the Tonio & this desert. You know a little extra kick to the poor guy, shove it to him just a little deeper because you missed it in our places.

    The vast lion's share of this country still doesn't know he was divorced, must less cucked, amb. MSM will not cast him down like that, A. Because his wife was White. B. Because the other guy was dark. It's way too juicy for these sight lines. It'd go nowhere. (They) don't want to think of Duncan like that, no way. Kobe in fancy-schmancy Los Angeles, California? Yes, definitely (climbing over one another like rats for it), but not Duncan is south Texas, uh, uh. There is absolutely no commerce to be made that way.

    Spurs Inc. "We want to keep it in-house."
    MSM/NBA HQ. "No problem, you don't even owe us one. This one is on us. It'll be like it never happened outside San Antonio except for that asshole old in Phoenix. He wont' listen to reason, we've tried, everything."

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    Sure, your people kept it tight and then were assisted in keeping it tight from MSM. They'd a had a in' field day with a large market specimen, but, you're lucky, same here in this hidden away desert. These (2 areas) are where MSM can brag at their smokers that they "did it right and kept it private. See, we're not the animals you make us out to be, harumphh!" Then they immediately target some poor schmuck in a large market and blast his hair all over the walls, some of collateral damage because they were FORCED to lay off in the Tonio & this desert. You know a little extra kick to the poor guy, shove it to him just a little deeper because you missed it in our places.

    The vast lion's share of this country still doesn't know he was divorced, must less cucked, amb. MSM will not cast him down like that, A. Because his wife was White. B. Because the other guy was dark. It's way too juicy for these sight lines. It'd go nowhere. (They) don't want to think of Duncan like that, no way. Kobe in fancy-schmancy Los Angeles, California? Yes, definitely (climbing over one another like rats for it), but not Duncan is south Texas, uh, uh. There is absolutely no commerce to be made that way.

    Spurs Inc. "We want to keep it in-house."
    MSM/NBA HQ. "No problem, you don't even owe us one. This one is on us. It'll be like it never happened outside San Antonio except for that asshole old in Phoenix. He wont' listen to reason, we've tried, everything."
    Nobody cared when the spurs won, they are boring, they are too old. So nobody cares when a player got divorced. Kobes seperatiin was kept about as quiet as can be, most kobe Stan’s don’t even know about it, or won’t mention it. And this comes from a huge market where everything they do got magnified a thousand times.

    Kobes rape got swept under the rug after a few years and he got lionized as some great father and pioneer of women sports. He got fawned over my the wokest of the woke by Hollywood during the #metoo movement. It’s a joke.

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    Spurs just tried to save their “so ing nice ” reputation tbh

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