Is 39 counts a bad thing?
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/stat...58143236034560
Posted and quickly taken down from courthouse website, not before someone got a screengrab.
Take it with a grain of salt until formally announced.
The criminal indictments were historic, as were the impeachments. These alone put Trump in a class by himself among ex-presidents. Trump will always be an accused criminal in US history.
Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.
Thread knows this and it's why he's been freaking out the past couple of weeks.
True, and not just "the past couple of weeks" but by and large since he beat Clinton Election Night. You did what that Wallace dude that got porked in the rump/dry did in that movie -Pulp Fiction- he fetched those two Black dudes and had 'em bring the pliers and a blow torch over to that pawn shop. That is what you basically have done and continue to do to Trump. You understand that fact. I understand that fact. Trump understands that fact.
And that is how it will go for the rest of each of our lives, on and on. Your inability to salve your hatred at him being President. Our crazed, rabid refusal to not seek vengeance, but instead seek it legally & illegally whenever & wherever we can glean it.
You tore the country up and apart because of him, and we intend to keep it that-a-way as long as we draw breath upon the earth.
You know the drill, but here it is anyway, Winester...
Let us proceed...
There is a special ironic charm to Rudy potentially being indicted on RICO charges.
There is a special ironic charm to Rudy potentially being indicted on RICO charges.
10 different indictments. Wowzahs! Some Trump allies certainly puckered about right now.
The Dems/uniparty picked the most perfect and optimal order to do the indictments. They sure know how to run an effective ground game and make the GOP look incompetent.
I said it before, months ago, maybe half a year ago, in my "will Trump go to jail" thread, the Georgia case is the one to watch out of all 4 possibilities.
-The NY case with Stormy Daniels and Alvin Bragg was always a joke and going nowhere, at least on a criminal sense for Trump. This one will likely be thrown out in favor of the defendant, if not ruled a summary judgment due to lack of evidence from the prosecution.
*As an aside, the potential NY tax evasion stuff will fall under business taxes and the worst case scenario for Trump himself is state-level sanctions and fines against his corporation(s) which he would have to pay, but no individual criminal convictions or jail time.
-The classified do ents case was always on the insipid, rudimentary, mundane, innocuous side. While not a joke like the NY case, it's clear that every former (and current) President who is alive today is guilty of taking at least some classified do ents out of Washington DC, and the general public really doesn't care about this and strict paperwork offenses in general. This case is likely to be taken fairly seriously, but expect a bit of a slap on the wrist and very minor convictions and/or sanctions given this.
-The January 6th case, unlike the do ents case, is very much a controversial and polarizing issue, cared about by most ardent Democrats, a few older Republicans and a decent amount of independents and the general public in general. However, there are many controversies and potential federal agent involvement which could hamstring prosecutors, in addition with the right to assembly doctrine in the 1st Amendment. Many are in favor of a conviction for this, equally many are opposed, it supercharges and divides the nation politically, but ultimately this one might have to be thrown out by lack of evidence / conflicting evidence in any case.
-But the Georgia case, especially if indeed November 4th is the date implicated in the RICO "serious felony" (5-20 year state prison sentence) will indeed be the most damning and most trying test to the Trump legal defense platform. Because if there is direct evidence that Trump and/or his staff and attorneys asked the Georgia Secretary of State to rig the system, add/subtract votes and/or manipulate computers to change the outcome of an election in a winner-take-all electoral college system -- that is serious government corruption that most everyone of the general public, apart from the most diehard MAGA-only supporters, can get behind. It will be difficult keeping Trump out of a serious conviction, if this one holds up.
The 6th Amendment en les a defendant to a speedy trial (this isn't always enforced unfortunately, but whatever).
Nearly a dozen Republican-appointed former judges and high-ranking federal senior legal officials on Monday endorsed the January 2, 2024, trial date proposed by special counsel Jack Smith in his 2020 election interference criminal case against Donald Trump.
The amicus brief was submitted to the United States District Court for the District of Columbia as a project of the Democracy 21 Education Fund in the January 6, 2021, case against Trump. It comes as the former president and his team look to push the case until after the election, though the final decision on a trial date will come down to presiding Judge Tanya Chutkan. Her decision is likely to come by the end of this month.
https://www.cnn.com/republican-legal...erference-case
It does not en le a defendant to a slow and steady trial, however. It does not en le a defendant to a trial that meets his or her specific timelines or ambitions.
I believe the trial for this case should be held on January 2, 2024. In front of a national-televised audience.
A January 2024 trial date isn't even what the DNC would want, ironically enough.
If the verdict is guilty. It is Morning in America for the rest of the GOP, and even Iowa is still in the future by that point (Jan 15th, 2024). It gives the remaining candidates, and conservative and Republican voters / non-Biden voters plenty of time to coalesce around a specific GOP candidate, whether it's DeSantis, Tim Scott, Ramaswamy, etc. May the best man win. I don't believe Ramaswamy would win; he's underfunded and green. DeSantis just seems to be making a fool of himself by the week and he's a poor public speaker and debater. He is pro-free trade, not protectionist, and is indeed the right fit for Florida, but not a fit for the Rust Belt.
Perhaps someone more moderate but nationally appealing like Youngkin would jump into the race at that point. I believe he could beat Biden head to head and also kick ass in debates where DeSantis wouldn't. Tim Scott has been growing on the base as well. Pence alienated himself with the base big time with the Ukraine neocon stance on Tucker, and others like Haley and Burgum are just there; they aren't really going to get much primary support outside of their own home states.
I don't buy the theory that 30% of the GOP would stay home if Trump goes to prison or in any case isn't the nominee. I believe they would think that at first, and there would be some apathy there, but come summer -- even before the fall -- the right and moderate anti-Biden vote will come home. At least, over 95% of them will, and the losses with the remaining only-Trump vote will be more than made up by suburban women and moderates who hate Trump for his personality but also vehemently dislike Biden's policies despite considering Biden the "lesser of the two evils".
Last edited by Millennial_Messiah; 08-14-2023 at 08:47 PM.
the TEARS of Faux channel right now -
ted cruz is now a sideline live reporter calling this a democrat led indictment against the usa...
hannity, der wiz, mr clean former ag hack scrub temp replacement, jarrett. alina habba
the TEARS of Faux channel right now -
ted cruz is now a sideline live reporter calling this a democrat led indictment against the usa...
hannity, der wiz, mr clean former ag hack scrub temp replacement, jarrett. alina habba
I hope they have Hillary read the indictments on tv
I’m only one voter, in a state will probably go blue by a 30+ point margin, but I’d be happy to give real consideration to the first Republican who can get him/herself off the MAGA teet.
What state?
Certain states have been trending red and blue when Trump's not on the ballot. Trump being on the ballot and Trump being off the ballot affects margins in certain states but in both directions. Can't just tie a partisan lean of a specific state to how well one presidential election went, especially if one or both of the candidates are polarizing.
I would give some serious consideration to Youngkin. He's one of the few GOP candidates who isn't a diehard pro-life religious zealot, hasn't even proposed or passed abortion legislation in his own state. Why? Because he knows his state well and he knows his state is majority pro-choice. He finesses the culture wars effectively, runs on winning / majority opinion issues, the economy, and he wins. School choice, keeping taxes low, keeping green progression at a slow and steady pace. Common sense stuff. He didn't campaign with Trump in 2021 and he's never particularly been tied to or mentioned Trump. But, he's not a neo-con either, and he has some protectionist policies as well, unlike losers like Pence and Christie (Pence also happens to be an evangelical nutjob).
That's a lot of words.
Do you think Trump committed any of the crimes for which he is indicted?
Yes or no.
No whataboutism, please.
Just the Georgia case only... 11/04/2020 "serious felony" RICO, if indeed it is true he called the Georgia SoS to fix the outcome of the election or contact his legal and tech teams to rig the computers. That is textbook racketeering.
I've long stood by his innocence in the NY case outside of some state-level tax evasion which would be civil as it's tied to his business corporations.
I've long stood by the fact that the stare decisis on former presidents taking home classified do ents is, essentially, to regain possession but let the statesman be.
I've long stood by the fact that January 6th was a bit of a cluster**** on both sides. Both sides did harm, both sides did wrong. The issue is too polarizing and controversial. No evidence that Trump "incited an insurrection". No evidence that there was even an insurrection, but rather a federal cover-up of an inside job.
But the Georgia case. Manipulating the electoral college. That's a whole different ballgame.
Many posters here know where I live, and honestly it’s not hard to find, but you’re a ing weirdo so I’m not telling you.
But trust me, I live in a solidly blue state regardless of Trump’s presence on the ballot.
She'll never get over it. She was goin' back in there for her 8 after Black cheated her out of her original 8.
Absolutely. & I got nary problem with one commission. Nary.
Thank you for not saying where you live, last thing I need is to see more re ed bull mm travel stories or anecdotes.
Lindsey going with the talking point of “this should be decided at the ballot box, not a courtroom”. Obviously, this is sheer stupidity, but let’s for a moment imagine a society where we decided crimes at the ballot box. What a trip.
That would be cool if we could vote on an appropriate punishment if found guilty
Lol
rudee colludee, mark meadows, trump, jenna ellis,
bunch of other kunts indicted
bwahahahaha!
41 felony counts….
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