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    those expiring deals like bullock will be more valuable at the deadline than they are now... the problem is we will have to let several of them go well before the deadline
    Honestly, of the acquired guys I think only Bullock has some value to a potential playoff team. And, considering we got cash to take on Payne and Osman, I think those guys are in line to be waived/bought out by the start of the season (along with Berch)

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    Honestly, of the acquired guys I think only Bullock has some value to a potential playoff team. And, considering we got cash to take on Payne and Osman, I think those guys are in line to be waived/bought out by the start of the season (along with Berch)
    its still frankly bizarre that the mamu signing has not been made official yet, nor have we heard any news about what's going on with Cissoko's situation. let alone barlow, who may be waiting to see if he gets any offers from other teams

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    its still frankly bizarre that the mamu signing has not been made official yet, nor have we heard any news about what's going on with Cissoko's situation. let alone barlow, who may be waiting to see if he gets any offers from other teams
    Everything is being held up, leaguewide, by either the Harden or Lillard trade. There’s a certain sequence to signings, and obvs Mamu and Sidy have to go last.

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    Bontemps on Mitc yesterday on the "Hoop Collective" podcast: "I don't think there's any chance he signs an extension there ever".

    If he comes available next off season, the Knicks will be conventional wisdom, but if they didn't go all-in a year ago, there's no reason to think they've changed their stance (they're said to be waiting on Embiid). The Nets would probably be more likely.

    The Spurs would obviously have to have a sense that he'd be open to re-signing first, but unlike other teams loaded with draft capital (Thunder and Jazz), they make sense and can make a compelling offer (Johnson, cap relief, significant draft capital).

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    I agree it's not sustainable - but I'm not sure it signals anything corrupt going on beyond the normal corruption and human rights abuse that exists in that regime. It's hard to understand the endgame though. Say they land Giannis and Jokic both at 2/800MM... okay, then what? It's not like that makes a compelling league that will sustain into the future. It's weird, but I also hold nothing against a player who cashes in and takes the bag.
    Its only unsustainable if your end goal is to make money which its pretty clear isn't the goal with Saudi's and sports. They're willing to throw away money because they see the monetary value of that expense in other aspects than profitable sports.

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    I agree it's not sustainable - but I'm not sure it signals anything corrupt going on beyond the normal corruption and human rights abuse that exists in that regime. It's hard to understand the endgame though. Say they land Giannis and Jokic both at 2/800MM... okay, then what? It's not like that makes a compelling league that will sustain into the future. It's weird, but I also hold nothing against a player who cashes in and takes the bag.
    Well, I mean, the Saudis are extremely corrupt. I'm not saying there's anything corrupt going on with their sports expenditures -- that may be the only above-board thing going on with them. I'm just saying that throwing around insane amounts of money like this might be a way of throwing attention elsewhere, a way of buying the sort of soft power the United States has. They're buying goodwill and 'normalcy' from sports fans. Which is... fine. But it's so frantic and absurd it's hard not to speculate what the is going on internally with them.

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    Well, I mean, the Saudis are extremely corrupt. I'm not saying there's anything corrupt going on with their sports expenditures -- that may be the only above-board thing going on with them. I'm just saying that throwing around insane amounts of money like this might be a way of throwing attention elsewhere, a way of buying the sort of soft power the United States has. They're buying goodwill and 'normalcy' from sports fans. Which is... fine. But it's so frantic and absurd it's hard not to speculate what the is going on internally with them.
    Great point and I agree. It's basically what Qatar did with their World Cup bid.

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    Or maybe it’s a way for them to turn illegal money into legal money. Like trading art or opening a bar.

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    Cap question:

    my understanding is Spurs received cash in both Payne and Osman deals. If that money is used to process a buyout for those players, does only the remaining balance count as a dead cap hit?

    Example: spurs got around 5M in the Payne deal, which is for 6.5M overall. If they reach a buyout for close to the entire salary with the player, would they be able to just show 1.5M in “dead cap.”

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    Cap question:

    my understanding is Spurs received cash in both Payne and Osman deals. If that money is used to process a buyout for those players, does only the remaining balance count as a dead cap hit?

    Example: spurs got around 5M in the Payne deal, which is for 6.5M overall. If they reach a buyout for close to the entire salary with the player, would they be able to just show 1.5M in “dead cap.”
    No. Money received has no effect on the cap. It just goes into the Holts' pockets

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    No. Money received has no effect on the cap. It just goes into the Holts' pockets
    Got it. So basically for accounting purposes it’ll ends up being the 1.5M or whatever, but the team is stuck with the whole 6.5M as the dead cap hit.

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    Sounds like the rookies drafted just now are now eligible to be moved in trades. That includes Jaquez who could now get rolled up in the Dame stuff.

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    Can you think of a single team starting a 6'2" SG that has won an NBA championship?
    Not in the last 50 years.

    Not quite, but the SG with the most minutes for the 2011 Mavericks was 6'2" Jason Terry, though DeShawn Stephenson had more starts. Without starting Terry had more championship series minutes than Stephenson.

    51 years ago, 1972 Lakers Gail Goodrich 6'1".
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    If Birch's contract is getting partially paid by insurance, his deal might be more moveable than an expiring insta-cut contract would normally be. I would imagine the Holts would want to be the team getting paid to waive Khem, but if that savings is enough to get a team to give up a better asset, they might let the FO take that instead.
    I think the spurs want Payne... Not super bad but they like the idea of an over himself vet that has quality playoff experience and is a reasonable back-up pg.

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    Bumping this thread due to the recent developments in Philly

    in case anyone has missed it, Philly recently shut down trade talks on Harden and expect him to report to camp for the upcoming season. Harden responded by stating, while on a tour in China, that Morey was a liar and he would never play for a Morey team again. Philly has doubled down saying they still expect Harden to report. Now media mouthpieces (Shelbourne i think i saw earlier) are claiming that Harden is prepared to make things very uncomfortable for Philly (whatever that means)

    in addition, Joel Embiid removed sixers info and Philly from his twitter bio. This is probably him just trolling since he is known for being a troll, but it sounds like all is not well in the city of brotherly love




    So....how does a Wemby/Embiid twin towers pairing sound

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    More Philly cast offs to join Bassey and Champ! So long as none of them are James Harden, I’m game!

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    More Philly cast offs to join Bassey and Champ! So long as none of them are James Harden, I’m game!
    Harden may have sabotaged the rest of his career with his last comments on Morey... Philly was already having a hard time finding a good trade for them and Harden massively hurt whatever remaining value he has... And good luck if he stays with the Sixers. I don't know if hurting his value was precisely his intention (really not sure) but you gotta know where to draw the line, other GMs are watching you and it's really not good eiher for your image and brand.

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    I’ll be happy once Harden, Irving and KAT are no longer relevant/in the league. They are epitome of the negative side of the power empower era, which as a general matter has been a good thing

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    I’ll be happy once Harden, Irving and KAT are no longer relevant/in the league. They are epitome of the negative side of the power empower era, which as a general matter has been a good thing
    I think this may be Harden's last year. No one is going to want to put up with his diva /quitting routine. It's obvious he's never going to do anything related to winning.

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    Bumping this thread due to the recent developments in Philly

    in case anyone has missed it, Philly recently shut down trade talks on Harden and expect him to report to camp for the upcoming season. Harden responded by stating, while on a tour in China, that Morey was a liar and he would never play for a Morey team again. Philly has doubled down saying they still expect Harden to report. Now media mouthpieces (Shelbourne i think i saw earlier) are claiming that Harden is prepared to make things very uncomfortable for Philly (whatever that means)

    in addition, Joel Embiid removed sixers info and Philly from his twitter bio. This is probably him just trolling since he is known for being a troll, but it sounds like all is not well in the city of brotherly love




    So....how does a Wemby/Embiid twin towers pairing sound
    Outside of Joker, nobody in the games fits better next to Wembanyama than Embiid at the 5. The concern would be the cost to acquire + injury.

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    Outside of Joker, nobody in the games fits better next to Wembanyama than Embiid at the 5. The concern would be the cost to acquire + injury.
    ofc...injuries are the biggest concern, Embiid flaming out in the playoffs every year due to poor conditioning is a legit problem. But the Spurs are one of the few teams that have the assets to put together a godfather offer if they wanted to. and there wont be many players better to try to obtain than a reigning MVP (no matter how underserved)

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    Why don't we just trade for Embiid and Doncic so our franchise players are evenly split in ages? (Wemby 19, Doncic 24, Embiid 29)

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    I think this may be Harden's last year. No one is going to want to put up with his diva /quitting routine. It's obvious he's never going to do anything related to winning.
    The Clippers wants him to nobody's surprise and that's where he wants to go.. And that might be the last team still ready to accept his diva BS, they're craving for "star power" and to exist in La La Land.

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    The Clippers wants him to nobody's surprise and that's where he wants to go.. And that might be the last team still ready to accept his diva BS, they're craving for "star power" and to exist in La La Land.
    Actually it doesn't sound like the Clippers are all that interested otherwise a deal would have probably gotten done. Sounds like they're only offering expiring contracts

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    I can never think of Philadelphia anymore without remembering Bill Burr's famous and hilarious 10+ minute rant about it

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