The U.S.A. ain't got diddly squat on Russia, Winester.
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No supply for you, Dale. I advise you to go to a senior center and try to get laid as opposed to the nonstop posting for attention.
I'll answer this-a-way, via "Sgt. Al Powell" -Die Hard-..."No, sir, you couldn't drag me away."
The thing is, under exquisite duress, people will confess to anything. The ticking time bomb scenario with a perp or associate already in custody is quite rare. We detained a bunch of people who knew nothing valuable or were turned in by unscrupulous people to collect bounties.
GWB and Obama released like 75% percent of the Gitmo detainees without any charges.
Which is exactly the issue with fishing. People will make up just to make the torture stop which is not only immoral and illegal but also counter productive.
Something like this needs transparent oversight and given the nature of the NSA and intelligence apparatus that is impossible. The only sensible option is to just shut it all down.
Well, you've obviously got Trump on-the-spot as far as [[[under exquisite duress.]]] Day 1 of his Presidency they threatened to blow up the White House as he, his wife and their only child tried to move in. tee, hee.
Bet he don't [[[confess]]], Winester.
Obama failed to deliver on this promise, and the torture continued. I heartily agree it should all be shut down. Even though we forfeit prestige and our good reputation for giving bad guys a fair shake -- impartial justice. The black eye isn't going away.
, we're still sporting it proudly.
Last edited by Winehole23; 08-27-2023 at 02:51 AM.
tl;dr
Gitmo military commissions have convicted one guy by trial in 20 years.
We probably would have convicted more bad guys the regular way, but no, we preferred a lawless torture gulag for people we rounded up higgeldy-piggeldy to sate the national appe e for vengeance and blood.
CC, DarrinS, DMC and many other board conservatives were fully on board the whole way and probably still are.
...Sure, absolutely till you included President Trump to the torture and multiple threats on his life.
Sure, absolutely, Hussein ("and the torture continued")...Hussein even murdered Bin Laden on spec. Damn well better hope Bin did it, otherwise when God opens Hussein's Book he ain't a gonna be able to place the race card then...
the way that he responded made it clear to me that someone from the NSA or CIA convinced him otherwise. It became a double whammy of going back on that promise and his promise of transparency.
He is a Chicago politician so I was not particularly surprised. I don't think I have ever been so happy to vote third party as when he was running.
Then you pulled the lever for Hussein anyway, just in case.
US torture of detainees undermines the effort to bring alleged 9/11 plotters to justice.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/01/u...-11-trial.htmlLawyers for Mr. Mohammed and the other defendants want the judge to exclude from their death-penalty trial, scheduled to start in January 2021, what they told F.B.I. agents in early 2007, months after they got to Guantánamo. The defense lawyers say those interrogations — carried out by what prosecutors say were “clean teams” from the F.B.I. who were unfamiliar with evidence unlawfully obtained from the defendants during the years they were in C.I.A. custody and subject to torture — were in fact tainted by years of clandestine C.I.A.-F.B.I. collaboration.
The defense lawyers argue that the prisoners provided the same answers to F.B.I. agents in 2007 that they had previously given to the C.I.A. at black sites where they were punished for not cooperating, and did not believe, based on conditions at Guantánamo, that they had free choice to refuse.
it's probably a selling point for many board conservatives, but torture rendered an accused 9/11 plotter unfit for trial
KSM pleads out
A regular court would long since have convicted him, tbh
https://x.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1818771116271497397
IDGAF about Gitmo. Throw them all away or into the ocean.
Alright, who got caught by banging calf-tats’ mom/boss?
Speak up.
You got joey all upset and all excited, posting as though there was a 2 for 1 special at the crack house.
Yep.IDGAF about Gitmo. Throw them all away or into the ocean.
the detainees may die from old age and mistreatment in Gitmo before they ever receive a trial
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/02/u...plea-deal.htmlDefense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III on Friday overruled the overseer of the war court at Guantánamo Bay and revoked a plea agreement reached earlier this week with the accused mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and two alleged accomplices.
The Pentagon announced the decision with the release of a memorandum relieving the senior official at the Defense Department responsible for military commissions of her oversight of the capital case against Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and his alleged accomplices for the attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people in New York City, at the Pentagon and in a Pennsylvania field.
The overseer, retired Brig. Gen. Susan K. Escallier, signed a pretrial agreement on Wednesday with Mr. Mohammed, Walid bin Attash and Mustafa al-Hawsawi that exchanged guilty pleas for sentences of at most life in prison. In taking away the authority, Mr. Austin assumed direct oversight of the case and canceled the agreement, effectively reinstating it as a death-penalty case. He left Ms. Escallier in the role of oversight of Guantánamo’s other cases.
Austin's move to rescind the plea agreements got slapped down, Biden just made an emergency appeal to withdraw them again.
Trials are hard enough to win at Gitmo -- 2 of 780 detainees convicted in 22 years -- US armed forces, doctors and contractors having tortured folks makes it even harder. A plea deal is probably the best legal outcome available.
Pentagon files appeal to halt Guantanamo Bay plea deals - POLITICOThe Pentagon is asking a federal appeals court to block a military judge’s plan to accept plea deals reached with a 9/11 mastermind and two other defendants in the attacks.
In an emergency filing with the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, the department — represented by Justice Department attorneys — asked the federal judges to take an extraordinary step and declare that Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin’s decision to revoke the plea agreements can be reinstated.
"That ruling countermands the Secretary’s considered judgment about the appropriate handling of a case of unique national importance,” Brian Fletcher, principal deputy solicitor general, wrote. “Preserving the Secretary of Defense’s authority to make fundamental decisions about the handling of the prosecutions of the individuals allegedly responsible for those attacks is a matter of critical importance warranting the issuance of extraordinary relief.”
Austin withdrew the pre-trial agreements in August made with the defendants, who are all being held in Guantanamo Bay.
But a November ruling concluded the plea agreements were valid and dismissed Austin’s order to throw them out.
And in December, a military appeals court ruled against Austin’s appeal to throw out plea deals for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and two other defendants in the 9/11 attacks. The ruling reinstated the decision to allow the three men to plead guilty and potentially avoid the death penalty for planning the al-Qaeda attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people on Sept. 11, 2001.
Can you tell us what each detainee did?
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