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    Even if we write a blank check to help Ukraine totally humiliate Russia by kicking it 100% out of Ukraine, a major risk remains that Russia then rearms and tries to take Crimea and the Donbas again.

    But I don't think most Americans think doing anything like that is bang for the buck.

    In fact, the latest CNN polling showed most Americans think we've already done enough in Ukraine. There's no clear end game here that justifies the cost being proposed IMO. It seems like it's just throwing money at the problem and hoping for the best. That's rarely good strategy, if ever.
    Biden ain't lettin' go, 7. No way.
    & neither is Putin going to let go. No way.

    Let us proceed...

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    Roll over and let Putin do whatever he wants. That always works out great for everyone.
    He never paid a major price for his actions before. This time he did.

    Anyway... sanctions, reparations and other punishments can remain on the table.

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    Make sure you're right...





    Then give Effy the 12 incher, dry.





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    He never paid a major price for his actions before. This time he did.

    Anyway... sanctions, reparations and other punishments can remain on the table.
    What price, 7? He's taken 20% of Ukraine, their Zap nuclear plant and the water in the south.

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    Melitopol, mariupol, bakhmut, crimea


    20% of europes largest country by far while whithstanding worst economic war in history.

    Not even Nazi germany had those kind of sanctions.

    Ford was still dealing with hitler till last minute.

    Ce la vi
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    "Whatever he wants"


    Russia is losing badly
    Chumpdumper is not the one going to the trenches, but they are and they don't really want to...

    BBC News: Ukraine is struggling to meet its demand for soldiers.

    The way Kyiv conscripts men has been accused of being corrupt at its core.

    President Volodymyr Zelensky has sacked every regional head of recruitment in Ukraine after widespread allegations against officers in the system, including bribe-taking and intimidation.
    The family of one military draft chief in Odesa were even accused recently of buying cars and property on Spain's southern coast costing millions of dollars. The officer reportedly denies any knowledge of this.

    Defence officials have told the BBC the alleged offences are "shameful and unacceptable".

    Mobilisation is why most men under 60 can't leave Ukraine. Thousands often try to sneak out of the country, mostly across the Carpathian mountains to Romania.

    For those who stay, mass group chats help them avoid being drafted. Telegram threads give tip-offs on where drafting officers are patrolling. There are chats for different regions and cities across the country, sometimes with more than 100,000 members each.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66542065

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    Ask both sides about difficulties securing soldiers.

    Just remember that one side is fighting for their right to exist.




    You can’t seem to grasp the difference

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    Chumpdumper is not the one going to the trenches, but they are and they don't really want to...

    BBC News: Ukraine is struggling to meet its demand for soldiers.



    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66542065
    Well thats what happens when a country goes on their 6th or 7th Mobilization.

    The phrase bottom of the barrel fits here. A country can probably have 2 or 3 good armies via 3,4,5 mobilizations.

    But by the time you get to the 6th, 7th, etc. The quality of the soldiers drops by miles. And their enthusiasm.

    Sadly Ukraine is relying nore and more on Azov army to stand between their men in the front lines and the rear. And shoot anyone who wi try to retreat.

    Its a very sad situation. And NATO is one of the main culprits.

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    Just remember that one side is fighting for their right to exist.
    Not anymore. Ukraine is fighting for territory now. You refuse to accept that which is why you reject a ceasefire.
    Last edited by DMX7; 08-30-2023 at 09:41 PM.

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    Ask both sides about difficulties securing soldiers.

    Just remember that one side is fighting for their right to exist.




    You can’t seem to grasp the difference
    Very easy. Surrender.

    Swear to:
    - treat russians in ukraine like normal citizens
    - revert the ban on russian language, culture and religion
    - stay neutral
    - ban neo nazism (includin banderites)
    - dismantle army
    - remove all nato weapons
    - accept new russian territories as russian

    They do that and they can exist happily and peacefully

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    You guys make terrible decisions.

    Weird that you two guys do that, using the same wording trying to convince people to feel sympathy for putin.




    Same clown school?

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    "Crimea by Fall is now a made up meme"



    Todays Salvadorian historians
    Nobody here claimed "Crimea by fall"... on the other hand, "3-5 days" and "roads" are quotables

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    You guys make terrible decisions.

    Weird that you two guys do that, using the same wording trying to convince people to feel sympathy for putin.




    Same clown school?
    I don't give a good if you feel sympathy for putin. How could you? He took 20% of an entire country including their Nuclear Plant and southern water. If Canada did that to the U.S., you'd be beside yourself with anger & grief.

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    Nobody here claimed "Crimea by fall"... on the other hand, "3-5 days" and "roads" are quotables
    Horse !!! "Crimea by fall." was a standard stock cry of your side, sonny-boy.

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    Very easy. Surrender.

    Swear to:
    - treat russians in ukraine like normal citizens
    - revert the ban on russian language, culture and religion
    - stay neutral
    - ban neo nazism (includin banderites)
    - dismantle army
    - remove all nato weapons
    - accept new russian territories as russian

    They do that and they can exist happily and peacefully
    Z will have to clear it thru Biden, Blinken & CNN first. Z doesn't fart that they don't clear it first.

    & they'll never clear thatPERIOD

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    Even if we write a blank check to help Ukraine totally humiliate Russia by kicking it 100% out of Ukraine, a major risk remains that Russia then rearms and tries to take Crimea and the Donbas again.
    As history has shown repeatedly with Russia, they just can't handle, economically and politically, a protracted war of attrition. Their economy has been going to for a while now, and, IMHO, it won't get any better unless their endgame is to become a colony of China.

    But I don't think most Americans think doing anything like that is bang for the buck.

    In fact, the latest CNN polling showed most Americans think we've already done enough in Ukraine. There's no clear end game here that justifies the cost being proposed IMO. It seems like it's just throwing money at the problem and hoping for the best. That's rarely good strategy, if ever.
    That poll broke evenly on ideological lines, and was largely within the margin of error. Not to mention that polling has been largely garbage the past decade or so.

    But, regardless, the bang for the buck is not even a matter of opinion. It's actually a fact that our aid is infinitesimal compared to our extended incursions in Iraq and Afghanistan. And when it comes to the cost of American lives, it's not even close.

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    As history has shown repeatedly with Russia, they just can't handle, economically and politically, a protracted war of attrition. Their economy has been going to for a while now, and, IMHO, it won't get any better unless their endgame is to become a colony of China.



    That poll broke evenly on ideological lines, and was largely within the margin of error. Not to mention that polling has been largely garbage the past decade or so.

    But, regardless, the bang for the buck is not even a matter of opinion. It's actually a fact that our aid is infinitesimal compared to our extended incursions in Iraq and Afghanistan. And when it comes to the cost of American lives, it's not even close.
    We ain't exactly king of turd island in that scope as well. We spent over 20 years in Afghan and fled with our hair on fire and Biden out at Dover as the last 13 children came back in body bags, him standing their watching his watch as they stepped from the plane, El.

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    Not anymore. Ukraine is fighting for territory now. You refuse to accept that which is why you reject a ceasefire.
    False. Putler's "negotiations" including any ceasefire is not worth the paper it's printed on. Ukraine knows, they've negotiated with Putler before.

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    Very easy. Surrender.

    Swear to:
    - treat russians in ukraine like normal citizens
    - revert the ban on russian language, culture and religion
    - stay neutral
    - ban neo nazism (includin banderites)
    - dismantle army
    - remove all nato weapons
    - accept new russian territories as russian

    They do that and they can exist happily and peacefully
    why would they surrender, they've been kicking Rusky's asses for a while now. With Russia's economic struggles is only gonna get worse, considering they're largely a poor country already.

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    Horse !!! "Crimea by fall." was a standard stock cry of your side, sonny-boy.
    yep

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    Z will have to clear it thru Biden, Blinken & CNN first. Z doesn't fart that they don't clear it first.

    & they'll never clear thatPERIOD
    yep ^^^^^

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    why would they surrender, they've been kicking Rusky's asses for a while now. With Russia's economic struggles is only gonna get worse, considering they're largely a poor country already.

    How? Russia has possession of 20% of Ukraine including their Nuclear Plant and southern water. "You've been rollin' s in the Village again, haven't you?"

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