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    From the top 2nd comment:

    Dr. Cauthen is a highly respected professional in her field. She was hired by the team to work with players, monitoring their mental health, by evaluating both their on and off-court stress management skills.

    DeMar DeRozan’s feedback helped Pop and the front office (PATFO) recognize the importance of this aspect of today’s NBA. Spurs players speak highly of Cauthen, and I would argue that she held more value to the organization than Primo.

    In fact, once the lawsuit was settled and Primo was pushed out of the picture, she immediately came back to the team in the same role, and still holds that position.

    Continually helping the current players was more important to her than the one she couldn’t help.


    Primo was definitely the problem.
    I thought the bridge is f-ing burned already

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    From the top 2nd comment:



    I thought the bridge is f-ing burned already
    When you report someone for an HR issue, you basically become un-fireable. Any termination action would be considered retribution, and that would be another actionable offense.

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    Makes you question if anything actually happened. First why take a pay out? Of somebody sexually abused someone else I would expect the perp to get charged and sent to prison. Second, wouldn’t she be “traumatized” by the situation and move on maybe take a break? Im not siding with Primo but you see it too many times, a woman makes a claim similar to this situation and all they are looking for is money and not sending the guy to prison where they should belong if something as such happened.

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    Makes you question if anything actually happened. First why take a pay out? Of somebody sexually abused someone else I would expect the perp to get charged and sent to prison. Second, wouldn’t she be “traumatized” by the situation and move on maybe take a break? Im not siding with Primo but you see it too many times, a woman makes a claim similar to this situation and all they are looking for is money and not sending the guy to prison where they should belong if something as such happened.

    This is very very untrue.

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    There's always a clumsy question to victims “whyd you stay/come back if it was so bad“.

    Anyway primo is gone, apologies got sent,.$$ got sent, and busby is representing paxston

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    There's always a clumsy question to victims “whyd you stay/come back if it was so bad“.

    Anyway primo is gone, apologies got sent,.$$ got sent, and busby is representing paxston
    Wouldn't it be better since Primo is gone?

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    It's strange that people are surprised or only think it is for ulterior motives that the Spurs would keep her on and take responsibility for something abhorrent that happened on their watch. You guys ever listen to the powers that be in the organization?

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    Makes you question if anything actually happened. First why take a pay out? Of somebody sexually abused someone else I would expect the perp to get charged and sent to prison. Second, wouldn’t she be “traumatized” by the situation and move on maybe take a break? Im not siding with Primo but you see it too many times, a woman makes a claim similar to this situation and all they are looking for is money and not sending the guy to prison where they should belong if something as such happened.
    Lol

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    busby is representing paxston

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    It's strange that people are surprised or only think it is for ulterior motives that the Spurs would keep her on and take responsibility for something abhorrent that happened on their watch. You guys ever listen to the powers that be in the organization?
    My problem here is that the issue was essentially her responsibility to mitigate. A serial flasher goes the team psychologist and flashes her. Instead of addressing the flashing problem she deals with him flashing her like 9 more times. This is not playing out how it should with her being the medical professional and all. Now I understand she escalated the problem to the higher ups and that's most likely where the organization failed.

    But its like a Doctor having a patient that is abusing drugs. The patient goes to this Doctor for the drugs and the Doctor continues to prescribe the drugs. Then goes to the medical practices front office to tell them "hey this guy I'm prescribing drugs too is really just abusing the drugs, do something". Then neither do anything. Makes no sense. Stop prescribing the drugs. IE escalate this flashers care so that the core issue is addressed. She essentially failed to provide or find adequate mental healthcare for this kid.

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    My problem here is that the issue was essentially her responsibility to mitigate. A serial flasher goes the team psychologist and flashes her. Instead of addressing the flashing problem she deals with him flashing her like 9 more times. This is not playing out how it should with her being the medical professional and all. Now I understand she escalated the problem to the higher ups and that's most likely where the organization failed.

    But its like a Doctor having a patient that is abusing drugs. The patient goes to this Doctor for the drugs and the Doctor continues to prescribe the drugs. Then goes to the medical practices front office to tell them "hey this guy I'm prescribing drugs too is really just abusing the drugs, do something". Then neither do anything. Makes no sense. Stop prescribing the drugs. IE escalate this flashers care so that the core issue is addressed. She essentially failed to provide or find adequate mental healthcare for this kid.
    She's a mental health professional trying to deal with what seems to be at least partly a mental health issue. Seems fairly clear she tried to treat it with the patient privately and it didn't work. Once they Spurs were informed they were obligated to act in a timely manner, which it looks like they didn't do.

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    Makes you question if anything actually happened. First why take a pay out? Of somebody sexually abused someone else I would expect the perp to get charged and sent to prison. Second, wouldn’t she be “traumatized” by the situation and move on maybe take a break? Im not siding with Primo but you see it too many times, a woman makes a claim similar to this situation and all they are looking for is money and not sending the guy to prison where they should belong if something as such happened.
    Women have learned over time that almost never happens, and if they make it a criminal matter, THEY get put on trial, so they go the tort law route and sue them. You cannot bring up a woman's sexual history in a lawsuit action.

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    My problem here is that the issue was essentially her responsibility to mitigate. A serial flasher goes the team psychologist and flashes her. Instead of addressing the flashing problem she deals with him flashing her like 9 more times. This is not playing out how it should with her being the medical professional and all. Now I understand she escalated the problem to the higher ups and that's most likely where the organization failed.

    But its like a Doctor having a patient that is abusing drugs. The patient goes to this Doctor for the drugs and the Doctor continues to prescribe the drugs. Then goes to the medical practices front office to tell them "hey this guy I'm prescribing drugs too is really just abusing the drugs, do something". Then neither do anything. Makes no sense. Stop prescribing the drugs. IE escalate this flashers care so that the core issue is addressed. She essentially failed to provide or find adequate mental healthcare for this kid.
    So your issue is that she didn't handle it fast enough? I think you really need to look into the behavior of people that are victims of sexual abuse because that type of thing is not uncommon.

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    Seems like the spurs just followed the law…
    Getting rid of her after the complaint would help her in a “retaliation” lawsuit so they followed the law which is that once a sexual offense is reported the employer must show that it has taken steps to address the issue.

    Primo was let go so that adresses the main issue.

    She should not suffer further consequences for reporting the issue. Spurs acted appropriately.

    As for her “solving” primos issue, not sure that she is responsible for a perp/offenders’ behavior or criminal action-
    as that gets complicated and if she did not feel safe around primo or felt threatened in further contact

    that would absolve any responsibility she had to primo or the spurs.

    Im no lawyer but this is pretty standard and any lawyers here could correct me if i am off but it is not that much in the weeds - its pretty simple IMO.

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    When you report someone for an HR issue, you basically become un-fireable. Any termination action would be considered retribution, and that would be another actionable offense.
    There is a difference between reporting an issue to the FO of the franchise you work for and suing this franchise.

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    This is very very untrue.
    So people that commit sexual assault shouldn’t go to prison?

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    Women have learned over time that almost never happens, and if they make it a criminal matter, THEY get put on trial, so they go the tort law route and sue them. You cannot bring up a woman's sexual history in a lawsuit action.
    Ive heard of several sexual predators go to prison, at least here in the US. I don’t know where you live.

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    Every thing becomes a debate on spurstalk lmao. My personal opinion is that women need to send sexual predators to prison and stop looking for a payout.

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    Some deviant flashed her, she reported it and he got sent away, why should she quit if she doesn't want to?

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    There is a difference between reporting an issue to the FO of the franchise you work for and suing this franchise.
    Yes. She did the first, and when there was no response, she did the second.

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    So people that commit sexual assault shouldn’t go to prison?
    No, theycops dont investigate it unless its clear. They dont care. Its a big issue that comes up often. They dont test DNA. Fwiw i am anti sex assault. But i would never tell a victim to call the cops. Call an attorney first

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    No, theycops dont investigate it unless its clear. They dont care. Its a big issue that comes up often. They dont test DNA. Fwiw i am anti sex assault. But i would never tell a victim to call the cops. Call an attorney first

    Ok cool I don’t agree with you but ok.

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    Every thing becomes a debate on spurstalk lmao. My personal opinion is that women need to send sexual predators to prison and stop looking for a payout.
    They’re not looking for a payout, they’re looking for their day in court that doesn’t involve putting their sexual history on trial.

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    They’re not looking for a payout, they’re looking for their day in court that doesn’t involve putting their sexual history on trial.
    I never mentioned anything about sexual history, but ok cool.

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    I never mentioned anything about sexual history, but ok cool.
    That’s what happens when the woman presses charges, and the case goes to criminal court.

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