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apparently you can'tThen you can't read simple English because that was not my question.
Pick your poison.
my original statement you tried to quibble over
Insane border policy 8 million illegal aliens since he took office
Your assertion, your proof.
Anyone else is welcome to look for themselves. I do not find you credible.
BTW you can make more unsupported claims if you like. I'm not going to continue to argue with someone who won't back his word on a claim.
To the rest of the forum: Click search at the top. click the single mode search tab. put "FuzzyLumpkins" in username and pick "find threads started by user" from the drop down menu next to that field. then click search When I did it "The Chumpdumper OCD Socratic Method Thread" I made this year does not appear.
apparently you can'tThen you can't read simple English because that was not my question.
Pick your poison.
my original statement you tried to quibble over
Insane border policy 8 million illegal aliens since he took office
Interesting. I just logged into another account and voila it was there. So that means someone banned me from the thread on this account.
You know anything about that Chumpie?
I think the point here, my friend, is that you claimed there are "8 million illegal aliens since he took office". You then clarified that by saying that there are 8 million more undo ented residents since then.
However, 8 million illegal border crossings does not equate to 8 million more undo ented residents, especially since 6.5 million of those were apprehended.
It does raise an interesting question though about a matter of perception. If the number of apprehensions for illegal border crossings goes up dramatically from Administration A to Administration B, does that mean Administration B has stronger, or weaker, border control?
The number of people crossing the border isn't an issue but the manner in which we are getting our immigrants is indeed insane. We're in a position to pick and choose the best people instead of taking the dregs of the earth. Some of them are good people, I suppose.
It's there
Yeah I went to another account and found it too. Like I said, I must've been banned from the thread. Do you know who has mod privileges besides kori, EN, and timvp?
I just bumped it and @'d you in the thread. Do you see it now?
The "undo ented" was Chumps word, not mine. I stand by the claim there were more than 8 million illegal border crossings since
January 2021.
As for "apprehensions" when they just catch and release, it's still 8 million illegal border crossers now in the US.
As for "stronger or weaker" between A & B, when encounters go from 646,822 in 2020 to 2,556,364 so far in 2023 it appears that B is significantly less effective, if not technically "weaker".
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/n...ide-encounters
This is venturing into a related but different topic, but it's an interesting one. I've contended for 20+ years now, and think it is especially true today, that the United States self-perpetuates its illegal immigration issues with unreasonably low quotas and high barriers to legal entry/residency.
Part of the solution should be to make it EASIER for people to come here LEGALLY (which doesn't necessary need to include a pathway to citizenship) to lessen the incentive to come here illegally. Could go into detail on this for days, but that's my reader's digest summary.
yup, thanks, let me see if I can now pull it on a search.
Chump asked you "Are you implying the US has 8 million new undo ented residents?" and you responded "yes". That is the source of the quibble.
I think it is incorrect to state that 8 million border crossings = 8 million border crossers now in the US, but if you can provide data I'll admit I'm wrong.
As for "stronger or weaker" between A & B, when encounters go from 646,822 in 2020 to 2,556,364 so far in 2023 it appears that B is significantly less effective, if not technically "weaker".
I think there is a strong case to be made that border enforcement is stronger as a result of encounters increasing, but that data point alone doesn't tell the full picture. It's like if citations for J-Walking increase 500% in one year: did J-Walking increase or did Police just do a better job citing people for J-Walking?
I agree with this, and actually having a closed border gives us the opportunity to pick and choose who gets to come here legally. I am not against immigration. As it stands now, the only qualification for entry is who manages to illegally crosses the border.
To further elaborate, the estimate of the undo ented population in the United States has held fairly consistently around 11.5 million residents for the last 8 years, with the exception of during COVID when that number fell to 10.5 million.
There is no evidence that there is some "true" number of this measure that would show an increase of 8 million undo ented residents.
Where I would disagree is the "picking and choosing" part, unless the picking and choosing was based largely around denying persons with criminal records.
I don't believe it aligns with the American tradition or its values to have some other subjective criteria to select who can come and go.
I also am not sure what this discussion of "open" and "closed" border even means. The border is not "open" - if it were, there would be no illegal immigrants (because it wouldn't be illegal), and apprehensions wouldn't be up considerably. "Open border" is just a talking point to get people riled up.
Gotta focus on work now. Y'all have fun solving the world's problems.
Not my question that you answered in the affirmative, genius.
And my use of the word undo ented changed absolutely nothing.
user error
My claim independently verified.
Your conspiracy theory destroyed.
What's your new conspiracy theory?
The link you posted is to statistics of monthly encounters, but you are saying that an encounter = an additional undo ented (illegal) resident now in the United States*. I am unaware of any data to suggest that. If there are now 8 million additional undo ented residents in the United States, that would in fact be quite the news story as it would mean the undo ented population has increased by 73% in just a few short years! Maybe it has, but I'm skeptical. Got any data to back that up?
*To that point, as I already mentioned, the undo ented population in the US has remained relatively consistent over the last 8 years at approximately 11.5 million. During COVID that number dropped to 10.5 milllion. But during that time there were still encounters at the border. Those encounters do not translate to an additional undo ented resident.
Talk about irony!
Just to clarify...when an illegal border crosser goes to the border patrol and says "I want amnesty" and they are then released into the US without a hearing are you counting them as "do ented"?
Do you mean asylum? It would take over 20 years to reach your 8 million number.
Words are important.
yeah, meant asylum. Not sure what you are getting at with the 20 year thing. Can you explain?
Like a 1/4 million applied for asylum last year. 1.6 million are waiting somewhere in the process. If there is some "asked for but not applied" status, I haven't seen it or numbers for it.
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