Wow...The woman who sued Spurs and Joshua Primo is still with the Spurs???

[widowmaker]

That’s what happens when the woman presses charges, and the case goes to criminal court.

Ok I don’t agree with you. Have a good day.

[BacktoBasics]

She's a mental health professional trying to deal with what seems to be at least partly a mental health issue. Seems fairly clear she tried to treat it with the patient privately and it didn't work. Once they Spurs were informed they were obligated to act in a timely manner, which it looks like they didn't do.

Yeah I agree.

So your issue is that she didn't handle it fast enough? I think you really need to look into the behavior of people that are victims of sexual abuse because that type of thing is not uncommon.

I completely understand your point and typically I’m in harmony with this belief. I’m not a fan of victim blaming either. I just think this situation is different and I’m less inclined to look at her as a victim. I’m fully aware that won’t be a popular opinion.

If this lady was a doctor for someone who had violent tendencies and a habit of physical assault I don’t believe a good doctor would allow themselves to be assaulted 9 times. They’d see after the first or second time that the care they were equipped to provide wasn’t going to meet the demands of the patient.

She never should have allowed herself to be flashed 9 times. She was specifically and directly given this job to mitigate mental health problems and then allowed herself to be victimized by someone with mental health problems that she was hired to treat.

I’m sorry but that’s a professional failure.

But maybe she did go to the front office early on and informed them that she wasn’t equipped to handle his issues to the degree that it was. We’ll probably never know that.

The whole situation doesn’t pass the sniff test and bringing her back seems even fishier.

[exstatic]

Yeah I agree.

I completely understand your point and typically I’m in harmony with this belief. I’m not a fan of victim blaming either. I just think this situation is different and I’m less inclined to look at her as a victim. I’m fully aware that won’t be a popular opinion.

If this lady was a doctor for someone who had violent tendencies and a habit of physical assault I don’t believe a good doctor would allow themselves to be assaulted 9 times. They’d see after the first or second time that the care they were equipped to provide wasn’t going to meet the demands of the patient.

She never should have allowed herself to be flashed 9 times. She was specifically and directly given this job to mitigate mental health problems and then allowed herself to be victimized by someone with mental health problems that she was hired to treat.

I’m sorry but that’s a professional failure.

But maybe she did go to the front office early on and informed them that she wasn’t equipped to handle his issues to the degree that it was. We’ll probably never know that.

The whole situation doesn’t pass the sniff test and bringing her back seems even fishier.

The FO didn't really pull their heads out of their asses until after further incidents at Las Vegas and Minneapolis. I'm not sure she ever left, so 'bringing her back' may not be the right terminology, and termination would be viewed as reprisal, and another court case.

[koriwhat]

I don’t believe a good doctor would allow themselves to be assaulted 9 times. They’d see after the first or second time that the care they were equipped to provide wasn’t going to meet the demands of the patient.

She never should have allowed herself to be flashed 9 times. She was specifically and directly given this job to mitigate mental health problems and then allowed herself to be victimized by someone with mental health problems that she was hired to treat.

I’m sorry but that’s a professional failure.

[Spurs Homer]

There is a difference between reporting an issue to the FO of the franchise you work for and suing this franchise.

Im not up on all the stuff that led to her filing a suit - but most reputable attorneys will not take the case unless they feel it is winnable. It would NOT be winnable if she ran to a lawyer at the first little ripple of bad behavior.

Most lawsuits happen when an employee - goes in good faith and reports the incidents and is met by either silence or retaliation or is ignored. Eventually a person goes to a good lawyer and the good lawyer will advise the person to NOT QUIT, do ent every incident and CONTINUE reporting the bad behavior/incidents and then and ONLY THEN will the lawyer deem the case worthwhile (if the employer acts in bad faith)

this talk about "women just go after rich guys for money" is pretty ignorant in my experience and is more a "guy talking point" than anything based on facts.

[ChumpDumper]

She never should have allowed herself to be flashed 9 times. She was specifically and directly given this job to mitigate mental health problems and then allowed herself to be victimized by someone with mental health problems that she was hired to treat.

I guess. If your job is to actually help a player to remain on the team and you think you can possibly achieve that without notifying the Spurs -- which means immediate termination of that player -- what's the magic number?

[rjv]

[BacktoBasics]

I guess. If your job is to actually help a player to remain on the team and you think you can possibly achieve that without notifying the Spurs -- which means immediate termination of that player -- what's the magic number?

That’s a fair point but as a medical professional her job wouldn’t be the player’s employment or the team retaining its player. It’s the mental health and treatment of the patient.

[ChumpDumper]

That’s a fair point but as a medical professional her job wouldn’t be the player’s employment or the team retaining its player. It’s the mental health and treatment of the patient.

The only reason he's a patient is because he's an employee of the San Antonio Spurs and it's nominally the best interest of the patient to continue to be employed by the San Antonio Spurs. I'm not seeing the distinction here.

[BacktoBasics]

The only reason he's a patient is because he's an employee of the San Antonio Spurs and it's nominally the best interest of the patient to continue to be employed by the San Antonio Spurs. I'm not seeing the distinction here.

I would say something along the lines of Hippocratic Oath but that’s not say your point wouldn’t carry weight.

[ChumpDumper]

I would say something along the lines of Hippocratic Oath but that’s not say your point wouldn’t carry weight.

I'd say the oath or whatever Texas doctors pledge is one reason the behavior was tolerated as long as it was. It makes the health and well-being of the patient the priority.

[BacktoBasics]

I'd say the oath or whatever Texas doctors pledge is one reason the behavior was tolerated as long as it was. It makes the health and well-being of the patient the priority.

If that were true than the incidents would be part of treatment not a cause for her to victimize herself and litigate/settle etc.

[koriwhat]

If that were true than the incidents would be part of treatment not a cause for her to victimize herself and litigate/settle etc.

Obviously CD is ok with sexual assault and excuses it to the measures he already has been. Weird flex but ok.

[JPB]

She's a mental health professional trying to deal with what seems to be at least partly a mental health issue. Seems fairly clear she tried to treat it with the patient privately and it didn't work. Once they Spurs were informed they were obligated to act in a timely manner, which it looks like they didn't do.

So your issue is that she didn't handle it fast enough? I think you really need to look into the behavior of people that are victims of sexual abuse because that type of thing is not uncommon.

Not defending Primo, he had to go, but B2B has a point here...The guy flashes his D 8 times, then the 9th time, that's when she decides to go see the spurs so they do something because THAT was really one time too much, before deciding to sue them...

How about talking to the spurs the first time if it's that traumatasing and abusing for her (which I defnitely believe it can be)... To try to fix that? Ok, but that means it's not that traumatising if you wait another 8 times. Afraid to lose your job? Then why did you report him ultimately? And you're still there.

, in a way you could even see Primo considering that as a validation and encouragement to continue since she didn't stop him before... "I'm flashing my stuff to this woman, a psychologsit at that, she doesn't report me. Let's continue..." She's the older pro, he's a (obviously deranged) kid. Primo is to blame ofc, but I'm not sure she handled the situation properly (but still cashed in the process)...

[ChumpDumper]

If that were true than the incidents would be part of treatment not a cause for her to victimize herself and litigate/settle etc.

No, the criminal offenses were never part of any treatment. That's not how it works. The behavior was a symptom to be treated.

[BacktoBasics]

No, the criminal offenses were never part of any treatment. That's not how it works.

The incidents with her? I don’t think we know that for sure.

Obviously his other incidents were actual crimes. That alone would give me the belief that she was treating him. These were apparently known incidents.

[ChumpDumper]

The incidents with her? I don’t think we know that for sure.

I never saw any denial from Primo. You have to be really jaded to just think she's lying to make a buck.

Crimes against other women aren't part of any treatment either.

[BacktoBasics]

I never saw any denial from Primo. You have to be really jaded to just think she's lying to make a buck.

Crimes against other women aren't part of any treatment either.

That’s not necessarily what I’m saying. But it doesn’t add up. There was clearly a disconnect somewhere and she absolutely failed at her job. Perhaps it was a collective team failure as well.

[ChumpDumper]

That’s not necessarily what I’m saying. But it doesn’t add up. There was clearly a disconnect somewhere and she absolutely failed at her job. Perhaps it was a collective team failure as well.

Of course it adds up.

She tried to treat him without escalating to management because her priority is the patient. It didn't work so she escalated to management.

[ChumpDumper]

Obviously CD is ok with sexual assault and excuses it to the measures he already has been. Weird flex but ok.

Go yourself, calftats.

[Chinook]

A lot of times victims do things that "put them in position" to be victimized. Folks aren't perfect. The psychologist indeed does seem to have made some mistakes. But from what we've heard, she didn't do anything that justified what Primo is accused of doing to her. Now Primo's lawyer suggested the story might be more complicated, but we never saw that play out. There are quite a few touchpoints here that make this situation complicated. But the evidence available points to Primo being a ing predator, and I'm happier that she got him out of the organization than I am upset that it took her a bit to do it. Hopefully this knowledge will kill the random hopes some have that Primo is a Spur again.

That said, it wasn't a given she'd be back. Supposedly, her contract wasn't renewed long before she sued. This isn't the case where an employee filed an HR complaint and kept her job after the process played out. I imagine her getting her job back was part of the settlement, whether in a negative sense (threatening to sue for retaliation even if her case wasn't the strongest) or positive (both sides thought it would make sense to work together to come up with a solution to prevent this from happening again). I did think that latter sense was very possible as all this was playing out, but it could well be a PR spin for her sort of Udonis Hasleming her way to a steady salary for the foreseeable future. I'm curious as to her effectiveness in her role. On one hand, I assume she's qualified. But on the other, she was a contractor whom the team let go and presumably hired another to replace her.

[Rocalcio]

Yes. She did the first, and when there was no response, she did the second.

Sure, I was just explaining why it was weird she was still working in the organization

[scott]

Not defending Primo, he had to go, but B2B has a point here...The guy flashes his D 8 times, then the 9th time, that's when she decides to go see the spurs so they do something because THAT was really one time too much, before deciding to sue them...

How about talking to the spurs the first time if it's that traumatasing and abusing for her (which I defnitely believe it can be)... To try to fix that? Ok, but that means it's not that traumatising if you wait another 8 times. Afraid to lose your job? Then why did you report him ultimately? And you're still there.

, in a way you could even see Primo considering that as a validation and encouragement to continue since she didn't stop him before... "I'm flashing my stuff to this woman, a psychologsit at that, she doesn't report me. Let's continue..." She's the older pro, he's a (obviously deranged) kid. Primo is to blame ofc, but I'm not sure she handled the situation properly (but still cashed in the process)...

I believe a crux of the complaint was that she did just that (maybe not the first time, but definitely before the 9th time) and certain members of SS&E ignored her. Since this case got settled, we'll never see that allegation litigated, but I don't think it is a fair representation to say that she didn't do this.

[scott]

A lot of times victims do things that "put them in position" to be victimized. Folks aren't perfect. The psychologist indeed does seem to have made some mistakes. But from what we've heard, she didn't do anything that justified what Primo is accused of doing to her. Now Primo's lawyer suggested the story might be more complicated, but we never saw that play out. There are quite a few touchpoints here that make this situation complicated. But the evidence available points to Primo being a ing predator, and I'm happier that she got him out of the organization than I am upset that it took her a bit to do it. Hopefully this knowledge will kill the random hopes some have that Primo is a Spur again.

That said, it wasn't a given she'd be back. Supposedly, her contract wasn't renewed long before she sued. This isn't the case where an employee filed an HR complaint and kept her job after the process played out. I imagine her getting her job back was part of the settlement, whether in a negative sense (threatening to sue for retaliation even if her case wasn't the strongest) or positive (both sides thought it would make sense to work together to come up with a solution to prevent this from happening again). I did think that latter sense was very possible as all this was playing out, but it could well be a PR spin for her sort of Udonis Hasleming her way to a steady salary for the foreseeable future. I'm curious as to her effectiveness in her role. On one hand, I assume she's qualified. But on the other, she was a contractor whom the team let go and presumably hired another to replace her.

Part of her complaint was the she told certain members of SS&E and nothing happened. It's quite possible that those members were in some way disciplined (even if just assigning some training) and senior execs (Pop, RC, Holt Jr) were apologetic and sympatric and wanted her back.

[Russ]

Part of her complaint was the she told certain members of SS&E and nothing happened. It's quite possible that those members were in some way disciplined (even if just assigning some training) and senior execs (Pop, RC, Holt Jr) were apologetic and sympatric and wanted her back.

Subs ute "in fear of a retaliation case" for "apologetic and sympathetic" and you're right on.