Wow...The woman who sued Spurs and Joshua Primo is still with the Spurs???

[Wu36]

He's no longer a spurs player. He was cut, to my recollection the players union never even jumped in to help him.

[The Truth #6]

To me, it's unclear how the psychologist and the team handle HIPAA, private medical information. For the sessions to work, is she instructed to keep all her notes private so as to protect the privacy of the players, so they actually feel compelled and trusted to engage in therapy? Or, is it the opposite where the team is considered part of the therapy process since this is all perhaps not just really therapy but considered ways to improve performance on the court? Either way, there's definitely an interpretation where she did not tell them early on, either because she didn't want to look like she was doing a bad job and didn't want to get fired, or there was some legal barrier to her sharing. The fact that his crime is what she is treating is what adds to the confusion and debate over the timeline.

[JeffDuncan]

To me, it's unclear how the psychologist and the team handle HIPAA, private medical information. …

The players sign a waiver permitting the team to have access to any medical information relevant to their participation with the team. This is part of the standard NBA contract.

… there's definitely an interpretation where she did not tell them early on, …

It was reported, and I don’t think it was ever denied, that she did inform Brian Wright early on. He said he would take care of it. He did not.

… The fact that his crime is what she is treating is what adds to the confusion and debate over the timeline.

That’s incorrect. She was, and is, employed as the team’s sports psychologist. Her job is to assist with any psychological problems that can affect a player’s basketball performance. She was not employed to deal with players’ psychological problems in general.

She was seeing all of the Spurs’ players, btw. I have not heard of any complaints about any other players. Apparently, the sessions with the others went as they should, and only Primo was a serious problem.

It’s well worth noting that when she reported Primo’s misbehavior to Wright, it put Wright in a bind. Primo was Wright’s draft pick, and it was a very unlikely and unexpected draft pick, as people here will recall. Then, Primo was being promoted as the Spurs point guard of the future, (which again looked unlikely to the outside observer.) Wright undoubtedly didn’t want to look like he had made a stupid blunder by reaching so far with that draft pick. It created an obstacle against Wright taking action when the matter was first reported to him.

[MultiTroll]

It was reported, and I don’t think it was ever denied, that she did inform Brian Wright early on. He said he would take care of it. He did not.
That’s incorrect. She was, and is, employed as the team’s sports psychologist. Her job is to assist with any psychological problems that can affect a player’s basketball performance. She was not employed to deal with players’ psychological problems in general.

It’s well worth noting that when she reported Primo’s misbehavior to Wright, it put Wright in a bind. Primo was Wright’s draft pick, and it was a very unlikely and unexpected draft pick, as people here will recall. Then, Primo was being promoted as the Spurs point guard of the future, (which again looked unlikely to the outside observer.) Wright undoubtedly didn’t want to look like he had made a stupid blunder by reaching so far with that draft pick. It created an obstacle against Wright taking action when the matter was first reported to him.

Good points all.
However is it possible that Wright did report above, and the Good Ole Boys club sat on it?

Don't know that we can presume Wright sat on it, although a total fit for the reasons you posted.

[ismael-robert]

I don't kno that she's still employed. I think part of settlement was that she go back and show them how to clean house and ensure this never happens again. But looking at her LinkedIn and business pages she operates like two companies so she may have voluntarily moved on to focus on those

[John B]

Charges were dropped. The NBA didn’t suspend Primo. I’d be happy to see him back

[KingKev]

The saving grace here is that Primo wasn’t actually very good at basketball. If he has something somebody will give him a look rest assured.

[BacktoBasics]

The saving grace here is that Primo wasn’t actually very good at basketball. If he has something somebody will give him a look rest assured.

He certainly didn’t seem like a good dribble heavy distributing PG. I think he would have done well as an off ball scorer.

[The Truth #6]

The players sign a waiver permitting the team to have access to any medical information relevant to their participation with the team. This is part of the standard NBA contract.




It was reported, and I don’t think it was ever denied, that she did inform Brian Wright early on. He said he would take care of it. He did not.





That’s incorrect. She was, and is, employed as the team’s sports psychologist. Her job is to assist with any psychological problems that can affect a player’s basketball performance. She was not employed to deal with players’ psychological problems in general.

She was seeing all of the Spurs’ players, btw. I have not heard of any complaints about any other players. Apparently, the sessions with the others went as they should, and only Primo was a serious problem.

It’s well worth noting that when she reported Primo’s misbehavior to Wright, it put Wright in a bind. Primo was Wright’s draft pick, and it was a very unlikely and unexpected draft pick, as people here will recall. Then, Primo was being promoted as the Spurs point guard of the future, (which again looked unlikely to the outside observer.) Wright undoubtedly didn’t want to look like he had made a stupid blunder by reaching so far with that draft pick. It created an obstacle against Wright taking action when the matter was first reported to him.

Good thoughts. I've gone back and forth in trying to figure out what her sessions actually focus on. But yeah, I would sort of assume it's more about anxiety at the free-throw line and like that. But I still think there could be some pressure on the psychologist not to report things, because she really likes her job, and doesn't want to seem to be part of a problem, especially with a player they are prioritizing.

[cd98]

Well, from her side of the story, she told him to stop, he didn't, so she went to the Spurs upper management, and they did nothing, so she filed suit and that stopped the problem. What if she is really good at her job? Or what if Josh Primo really is a problem? I mean, the Spurs invested draft capital and millions on Primo and then released him on a dime after they got facts that we will never know. I mean, some people think Elvis is still alive, others doubt that a man has walked on the moon, and some people still think Josh Primo is a good player and that the Spurs are going to re-sign him after enough time passes.

The truth is that if he continued the behavior after they rehired them, including if he did it on the road or in any capacity as a Spurs player, the organization would get hit with another, and more expensive lawsuit. He is not worth the risk. I think we have a better shot at Big Foot being our starting point guard than Josh Primo.

[Knoxxx]

A lot of “blame the victim” sentiment throughout the posts.

[exstatic]

A lot of “blame the victim” sentiment throughout the posts.

Or the much more common 'blame the ' sentiment.

[BacktoBasics]

Good thoughts. I've gone back and forth in trying to figure out what her sessions actually focus on. But yeah, I would sort of assume it's more about anxiety at the free-throw line and like that. But I still think there could be some pressure on the psychologist not to report things, because she really likes her job, and doesn't want to seem to be part of a problem, especially with a player they are prioritizing.

All that would tell me is that she’s not truly a leading professional in her expertise. Now I’m not saying it’s not true. Your point could be spot on. But it would go against literally everything she would have learned abd been trained to do about properly treating a mental health problem.

[BacktoBasics]

A lot of “blame the victim” sentiment throughout the posts.

I don’t think that’s accurate. I’m adamantly opposed to victim blaming. In this case she wasn’t just an office secretary or run of the mill employee. Or even an executive. She was literally the team psychologist put in place to provide mental healthcare for the players. So when directly faced with a mental health crisis she failed to treat the patient adequately and then failed to find a path to move the patient on to more appropriate therapy while allowing herself to be victimized only to blame it all on the organization.

[ChumpDumper]

I don’t think that’s accurate. I’m adamantly opposed to victim blaming. In this case she wasn’t just an office secretary or run of the mill employee. Or even an executive. She was literally the team psychologist put in place to provide mental healthcare for the players. So when directly faced with a mental health crisis she failed to treat the patient adequately and then failed to find a path to move the patient on to more appropriate therapy while allowing herself to be victimized only to blame it all on the organization.

Primo wasn't having a mental health crisis.

[BacktoBasics]

Primo wasn't having a mental health crisis.

Usually we agree but on this we don’t. He was a serial flasher which is essentially a serial sexual assaulter. He lacked self control and self awareness. The thought of torpedoing his career didn’t register. That is by definition a mental health crisis.

[ChumpDumper]

Usually we agree but on this we don’t. He was a serial flasher which is essentially a serial sexual assaulter. He lacked self control and self awareness. The thought of torpedoing his career didn’t register. That is by definition a mental health crisis.

That's more a mental disorder. You can't really say he's in a constant state of crisis or he had nine crises in front of her plus the others. And of course he has some control and awareness. He doesn't expose himself to every woman he sees. Spurs telecasts would have been a lot weirder if he had no self control.

[scott]

I don’t think that’s accurate. I’m adamantly opposed to victim blaming. In this case she wasn’t just an office secretary or run of the mill employee. Or even an executive. She was literally the team psychologist put in place to provide mental healthcare for the players. So when directly faced with a mental health crisis she failed to treat the patient adequately and then failed to find a path to move the patient on to more appropriate therapy while allowing herself to be victimized only to blame it all on the organization.

I don't think that's an accurate portrayal of her role. Was she a psychologist there to help players with mental health issues, or is she is a psychologist hired by the Spurs to help players as it pertains to their performance as basketball players? Either way, her obligations as a doctor do not discard her rights as an employee or a human. If Primo were not just exposing himself, but instead was engaging in more forceful sexual assault (or even flat out rape) - would you be saying that she should have done more to treat his mental health crisis?

Also it's bizarre that you characterize Primo's repeated flashing as a failure (of the victim) to treat him. Do you think psychologists have some magic wand they get when they get their PhD? Sometimes people who do bad will continue to bad , they can't just be magically cured by a mental health professional.

[MultiTroll]

I don’t think that’s accurate. I’m adamantly opposed to victim blaming. In this case she wasn’t just an office secretary or run of the mill employee. Or even an executive. She was literally the team psychologist put in place to provide mental healthcare for the players. So when directly faced with a mental health crisis she failed to treat the patient adequately and then failed to find a path to move the patient on to more appropriate therapy while allowing herself to be victimized only to blame it all on the organization.

You weren't there.
You're just talking out of your ass, speculating.

[MultiTroll]

I don't think that's an accurate portrayal of her role. Was she a psychologist there to help players with mental health issues, or is she is a psychologist hired by the Spurs to help players as it pertains to their performance as basketball players? Either way, her obligations as a doctor do not discard her rights as an employee or a human. If Primo were not just exposing himself, but instead was engaging in more forceful sexual assault (or even flat out rape) - would you be saying that she should have done more to treat his mental health crisis?

Also it's bizarre that you characterize Primo's repeated flashing as a failure (of the victim) to treat him. Do you think psychologists have some magic wand they get when they get their PhD? Sometimes people who do bad will continue to bad , they can't just be magically cured by a mental health professional.

[BacktoBasics]

I don't think that's an accurate portrayal of her role. Was she a psychologist there to help players with mental health issues, or is she is a psychologist hired by the Spurs to help players as it pertains to their performance as basketball players? Either way, her obligations as a doctor do not discard her rights as an employee or a human. If Primo were not just exposing himself, but instead was engaging in more forceful sexual assault (or even flat out rape) - would you be saying that she should have done more to treat his mental health crisis?

Also it's bizarre that you characterize Primo's repeated flashing as a failure (of the victim) to treat him. Do you think psychologists have some magic wand they get when they get their PhD? Sometimes people who do bad will continue to bad , they can't just be magically cured by a mental health professional.

I wasn’t implying that she failed to fix him. She did fail to take appropriate action and/or so did the team. More information is needed but there is a failure on her part to at the very least move the patient onto another care provider or the police.

She does have a professional obligation to move her patient onto different care if she’s incapable of handling the situation. She’s also under obligation to escalate the situation if she knows that there is an impending crime.

So the debate would be over whether or not what’s below applies.

While almost everything you share with your therapist is held in confidence, there are a few exceptions to the rule:

danger to self
danger to others
abuse of children (including use of child pornography in certain states), dependent, or elderly adults
current or future crime concerning safety of others

[BacktoBasics]

You weren't there.
You're just talking out of your ass, speculating.

Neither were you so shut the up or at least enter the discussion. I’m not being dismissive or disrespectful of anyone’s points here. They’re valid considering the lack of a full picture here. We’re all speculating.

Being a y from the sidelines is koriwhats job. So stay in your lane asshole.

[scott]

I wasn’t implying that she failed to fix him. She did fail to take appropriate action and/or so did the team. More information is needed but there is a failure on her part to at the very least move the patient onto another care provider or the police.

She does have a professional obligation to move her patient onto different care if she’s incapable of handling the situation. She’s also under obligation to escalate the situation if she knows that there is an impending crime.

So the debate would be over whether or not what’s below applies.

That's more reasonable that this statement you made (though she claimed she did escalate the situation to her employer):

So when directly faced with a mental health crisis she failed to treat the patient adequately and then failed to find a path to move the patient on to more appropriate therapy while allowing herself to be victimized only to blame it all on the organization.

That specific sentence of yours is particularly oof-worthy.

[MultiTroll]

Neither were you so shut the up or at least enter the discussion. I’m not being dismissive or disrespectful of anyone’s points here. They’re valid considering the lack of a full picture here. We’re all speculating.

Being a y from the sidelines is koriwhats job. So stay in your lane asshole.

Nice projection.
Nice backpedal too.

[BacktoBasics]

That's more reasonable that this statement you made (though she claimed she did escalate the situation to her employer):

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That specific sentence of yours is particularly oof-worthy.

Fair enough