Wow...The woman who sued Spurs and Joshua Primo is still with the Spurs???

[BacktoBasics]

This isn't anything close to a normal situation for therapy that she is working in. It's a billion dollar business, not someone on Medicaid. Furthermore, she isn't just working for the client but really the organization. That's an inherently complicated situation. A very weird middle ground. Players often complain that they can't trust the team medical staff to do what's in their best interest, though the Spurs typically are better on that.

BTB, I'm surprised you have so little empathy for her situation. I mean, ultimately she works for the Spurs not Primo. Primo isn't paying for his sessions. To me, this situation played out like I expect it would, totally chaotic.

I’m adamantly against victim blaming. I know my stance isn’t popular. I just see things differently in this situation. Who employs her is a nonstarter for me. As a medical professional she has an ethical obligation that supersedes her employer.

It’s just all the more weird to blame the employer then go back to them. Her judgment on all sides is super suspect.

[The Truth #6]

I’m adamantly against victim blaming. I know my stance isn’t popular. I just see things differently in this situation. Who employs her is a nonstarter for me. As a medical professional she has an ethical obligation that supersedes her employer.

It’s just all the more weird to blame the employer then go back to them. Her judgment on all sides is super suspect.

You're taking hard stance, that's true. I'm not saying you're wrong but I see it as a grey area with a lack of clear boundaries, like the real world usually is, and perhaps, especially if she isn't treating him for froutterism or whatever. The more I think about it, it's almost impossible she's treating him for that, because that would be an even deeper layer of cover up.

But you're saying she screwed up in some way, too. I do agree with that...but are you also of the belief that Wright needs to lose his job? To me, the only one clearly to lose his job should be Primo, which is what eventually happened. But if you think she should be gone, then who else?

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Exposing yourself to your therapist is not within the bounds of a medical relationship. She also refused to continue treating him and was forced to by the team's executives.

Why are there so many assholes on this forum? It's like you'll defend any sexual harassment against women as long as it's in the service of some guy you've never met that happened to wear your team's colors for a while. bags.

[JPB]

Exposing yourself to your therapist is not within the bounds of a medical relationship. She also refused to continue treating him and was forced to by the team's executives.

Why are there so many assholes on this forum? It's like you'll defend any sexual harassment against women as long as it's in the service of some guy you've never met that happened to wear your team's colors for a while. bags.

Read the discussion and inform yourself before playing the virtuous hero and caricaturing or insulting everyone... Nobody is defending Primo, absolutely nobody... It's precisely because it's not always as simple as you want it to be, that people calmly debate it... That's what justice does.

Quoting you: " Exposing yourself to your therapist is not within the bounds of a medical relationship"... Indeed, then the whole point of debate is why she let Primo expose himself 9 times before reporting him, why did she let him continue to "harass him sexually" on your own words, which could have been considered by Primo as an encouragement or even validation... She could have stopped the whole thing after the first time if that was so traumatising, but she didn't. She let him expose himself 8 more times. Still not excusing Primo, but we're also probalby not talking about him grabbing his D and puttng it under the doc's nose... More like not wearing panties or boxers under his shorts and letting his genitals visible for her (but we don't have all the info).

Did she try to "fix" it, was she afraid of something, did she react/act properly as a professional in front of a deranged teen, what were her motivations, why did she sue (and cashed in) are the topic of debate, and what a court would also analyse, Mr White Knight. And that's possible that she did react accordingly, or believed she did.

But that's always the same story with those Mr Right and their manicheism,. Respecting women, that's treating them like anyboy else, without any prejudgement, but without excluding anything either, or any possibility of discussion, considering them by default immaculate, perfect angels who could never do wrong, just because they are women., like those hereos who defended Spears and her stunt with Wemby, not imagiing it could have been be malicious and she could be lying...

And I'm not suggesting it is with the Primo affair... But it's stil possible to discuss and try to understand certain things.

[ChumpDumper]

if the Spurs though she was just executing some master plan to extort them, they would've taken her to court.

[JPB]

if the Spurs though she was just executing some master plan to extort them, they would've taken her to court.

Sure, to get all that positive publcity for months in a trial, and being publicly accused of not defending a sexually assaulted woman in their club.... Very spursy all that noise, and no doubt they would have won the popular opinion, just like they did with Nephew, potentially with manifestations before all the spurs game. Sponsors would have love that, too.

They settled the whole thing for a reason.

And the point is not say it was necessarily disingenious, but that maybe it could have been handled differently on her part, with still eventually the perspective of grabbing cash ultimately, which she did, and she's still there operating.

And if I was a bit malicious myslef, I'd say that I know a whole lot of ladies who would be ready to stare at a here or there for a couple millions. And a lot of men, too.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, to get all that positive publcity for months in a trial, and being publicly accused of not defending a sexually assaulted woman in their club.... Very spursy all that noise, and no doubt they would have won the popular opinion, just like they did with Nephew, potentially with manifestations before all the spurs game. Sponsors would have love that, too.

They settled the whole thing for a reason.

And the point is not say it was necessarily disingenious, but that maybe it could have been handled differently on her part, with still eventually the perspective of grabbing cash ultimately, which she did, and she's still there operating.

And if I was a bit malicious myslef, I'd say that I know a whole lot of ladies who would be ready to stare at a here or there for a couple millions. And a lot of men, too.

Sorry, you're just wrong. Your conspiracy theory makes no sense.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Read the discussion and inform yourself before playing the virtuous hero and caricaturing or insulting everyone... Nobody is defending Primo, absolutely nobody... It's precisely because it's not always as simple as you want it to be, that people calmly debate it... That's what justice does.

Quoting you: " Exposing yourself to your therapist is not within the bounds of a medical relationship"... Indeed, then the whole point of debate is why she let Primo expose himself 9 times before reporting him, why did she let him continue to "harass him sexually" on your own words, which could have been considered by Primo as an encouragement or even validation... She could have stopped the whole thing after the first time if that was so traumatising, but she didn't. She let him expose himself 8 more times. Still not excusing Primo, but we're also probalby not talking about him grabbing his D and puttng it under the doc's nose... More like not wearing panties or boxers under his shorts and letting his genitals visible for her (but we don't have all the info).

Did she try to "fix" it, was she afraid of something, did she react/act properly as a professional in front of a deranged teen, what were her motivations, why did she sue (and cashed in) are the topic of debate, and what a court would also analyse, Mr White Knight. And that's possible that she did react accordingly, or believed she did.

But that's always the same story with those Mr Right and their manicheism,. Respecting women, that's treating them like anyboy else, without any prejudgement, but without excluding anything either, or any possibility of discussion, considering them by default immaculate, perfect angels who could never do wrong, just because they are women., like those hereos who defended Spears and her stunt with Wemby, not imagiing it could have been be malicious and she could be lying...

And I'm not suggesting it is with the Primo affair... But it's stil possible to discuss and try to understand certain things.

Reading comprehension isnt a strong suit. She refused to keep seeing him, but was forced to by team executives. Idiot.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Have to love men telling what women are supposed to do when a man sexually harasses her and then holding her to account for not doing as they would want.

[exstatic]

She was a sports psychologist, not a psychiatrist MD trained to treat sexual deviants.

[rascal]

Some deviant flashed her, she reported it and he got sent away, why should she quit if she doesn't want to?

Why should she lose her job?

[BacktoBasics]

She was a sports psychologist, not a psychiatrist MD trained to treat sexual deviants.

Okay. We’ll go with that. All the more reason she should have moved the patient onto another care provider. Instead she allowed herself to be victimized 9 times.

[ChumpDumper]

So she's to blame.

[exstatic]

Okay. We’ll go with that. All the more reason she should have moved the patient onto another care provider. Instead she allowed herself to be victimized 9 times.

That can only happen if the Spurs believed her. They didn’t.

[JeffDuncan]

Okay. We’ll go with that. All the more reason she should have moved the patient onto another care provider. …

How?

Seriously, how? Answer the question, how would she do that?

I’m certain she had no authority to spend the team’s money to hire another provider. The team front office would be the only ones with that financial authority, as agents of the ownership.

I’m also certain she had no authority to fine or suspend Primo, to try to force him to see somebody else. Again, the front office had that authority.

So, her obligation was to report it to the front office. Reportedly, she did so. She reported it to the GM.

It was up to the Spurs front office, not her, to do what you say, send Primo to another provider.

You’re ignoring reality. You’re talking about moving Primo like somebody passing the salt at the dinner table. It’d be nice if everything was that easy.

[Dverde]

I remembered when the talk was about Primo’s growth plates.

[MultiTroll]

Anyway. I’m done beating the horse.

[MultiTroll]

Have to love men telling what women are supposed to do when a man sexually harasses her and then holding her to account for not doing as they would want.

She's and sHes too.

[BacktoBasics]

How?

Seriously, how? Answer the question, how would she do that?

I’m certain she had no authority to spend the team’s money to hire another provider. The team front office would be the only ones with that financial authority, as agents of the ownership.

I’m also certain she had no authority to fine or suspend Primo, to try to force him to see somebody else. Again, the front office had that authority.

So, her obligation was to report it to the front office. Reportedly, she did so. She reported it to the GM.

It was up to the Spurs front office, not her, to do what you say, send Primo to another provider.

You’re ignoring reality. You’re talking about moving Primo like somebody passing the salt at the dinner table. It’d be nice if everything was that easy.

How do you get to 9 instances of assault? After probably the second time you refuse treatment and inform the team that the patient needs a provider that specializes in another field. That or you report the crime. Which she had a moral obligation to do.

I don’t dispute the organization’s failure here but there’s some questionable timelines around all of this.

Let’s say it’s true. The team forced her back into providing therapy for Primo and took no action.

You still don’t get to 9 assaults. If the failure is that extensive on the organization end of things then why return. Her return tells me that she’s perfectly comfortable coming back and it was her who contributed to the problem.

Returning to work at a place that allegedly enable 9 plus crimes doesn’t hold water.

[The Truth #6]

So after at least 9 years of school to get her phd, to finally work her way to the top to work for a professional sports team, she should quit and throw that all away over one patient because management was negligent? Come on, no way.

[ChumpDumper]

How do you get to 9 instances of assault? After probably the second time you refuse treatment and inform the team that the patient needs a provider that specializes in another field. That or you report the crime. Which she had a moral obligation to do.

I don’t dispute the organization’s failure here but there’s some questionable timelines around all of this.

Let’s say it’s true. The team forced her back into providing therapy for Primo and took no action.

You still don’t get to 9 assaults. If the failure is that extensive on the organization end of things then why return. Her return tells me that she’s perfectly comfortable coming back and it was her who contributed to the problem.

Returning to work at a place that allegedly enable 9 plus crimes doesn’t hold water.

Victim: blamed.

[exstatic]

Victim: blamed.

[BacktoBasics]

Victim: blamed.

Who the goes back to work for the people who allegedly enabled 9 assaults.

I’m gonna kick you in the nuts 2 times.

Then go ask your boss to make it stop.

He says no. Get back in there and take it.

Like a moron you go back in there.

Imma kick you in the nuts 7 more times.

You sue your boss.

They apologize.

You get your ass right back in there and no one better question your judgment. You’re a victim.

[ChumpDumper]

Who the goes back to work for the people who allegedly enabled 9 assaults.

I’m gonna kick you in the nuts 2 times.

Then go ask your boss to make it stop.

He says no. Get back in there and take it.

Like a moron you go back in there.

Imma kick you in the nuts 7 more times.

You sue your boss.

They apologize.

You get your ass right back in there and no one better question your judgment. You’re a victim.

Devious money grab conspiracy: hatched.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

I remembered when the talk was about Primo’s growth plates.

Well it still kinda is ...