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think I would rather have Collins then him even if paid the same amount. Add in the price difference and I easily go with Collins. KAT is not a good player and makes way to much money.
Is he more mentally fit then pop or Biden ?
think I would rather have Collins then him even if paid the same amount. Add in the price difference and I easily go with Collins. KAT is not a good player and makes way to much money.
I'm not trying to make a direct comparison between the two other than to say they're both high positive impact players. Neither had any real playoff success as the #1 guy, but AD's success in LA leads me to believe that the "career loser" label is merely that, a label.
KAT is much better on offense than defense, but that would be an ideal pairing with young Wemby who projects to be an elite defender from day 1 but will have to learn to score efficiently.
At referring to an All-NBA caliber player as "not a good player".
KAT's pretty elite shooting the three at that position, but no way he's anywhere close to the impact player Davis is. It's a real stretch IMO. You could never watch Davis and think he was empty calories but can't really say that about KAT. And dude's going to make $64.7 million in 27-28 on that contract he's on while being just as much of a China doll as Davis. Ouch.
Pop has led and helped thousands of people succeed and flourish in life. Yet you sat around watching your son spiral to his death while doing nothing. You’re the last person that should be criticizing people’s mental fitness. You’re a failure of a human being.
Not a rumour and not paying that price in assets for the liberty of paying KAT 55mill a year over his extension. Solid offensive player but just no.
AAV (average annual value) should be viewed in terms of % of cap, since that's the only relevancy it has.
As long as Towns, for example, is in line to make a typical % for an All-NBA caliber player, then the number, however exorbitant, is fine.
I'm sure Minnesota would be happy to part with Towns considering the experiment of pairing him and Gobert appears to be an utter failure.
Picking up other teams' expensive trash doesn't appear to work well for any team in the last few years that has tried it. Towns is a great offensive player but hasn't proven he can help a team win. I don't think you pay franchise player money to a guy that doesn't have the mental for ude to get your team to the promised land. And he's a lot to spend on a complimentary piece to Wemby.
Interesting to think of all the guff that Joel Embiid gets, and Jokic before him-- in comparison, the bar seems to be set so low for KAT. He has yet to even win a first round match up in his career, and honestly hasn't even come close. Granted his teams haven't been the best, but his influence on winning so far doesn't seem that elite, and the idea that he'll soon be getting a salary above $50mil a year and eventually over $60mil/year is pretty incredible.
He's had one legitimate chance (in '22) and lost a compe ive series to a better team (Grizzlies).
I can understand this take, but for me it's a dangerous approach to view Wembanyama as a great defender who can compensate for bad defenders around him, and to use that as justification for an extremely expensive defensive liability. I'd rather be patient and hope that a player on the rise can be found in the next few years. The pairing of KAT and Gobert has so far been an underwhelming experience, though Gobert doesn't have nearly the all around potential versatility of Victor. How would you view their pairing? Wemby at C, and KAT at PF?
Right, but in the three years before that, he led his team to 23, 19, & 36 wins and wasn't even close to landing an 8th seed. I just think that's an underwhelming showing for an extremely well paid max player. He'll turn 28 this year, and in 8 seasons has really never contorted the league with the force of a Max guy.
That's based on the assumption the cap is going to go way up from the next TV deal. I kind of wonder if that hype might flame out with all the cord cutting. Gen X are the last people who seem to give a about cable TV.
Damn, hard to believe he has been in the league eight years now with how little he has accomplished.
towns definitely feels more overwhelming as a scorer, but not sure how many players in the last 30 years, when at their best, have more of a defensive impact than AD has. when AD is healthy and "on"... he seemingly shuts down the entire court. the lakers le in the bubble, and even their playoff run this year, largely came from their defense, and it all starts and ends with AD
Damn, I thought their playoff run this year was on the back of Austin Reaves...
more than one person contributes to playoff runs. reaves was consistently the 3rd best player on the team, and plays good defense as well, as an ascending 2nd year player
Davis is definitely better than KAT overall but I think the gap is smaller than you do.
Still, KAT is available in this scenario while Davis isn't. Comparisons to AD aside, is there a price (such as Keldon + 2 firsts + filler) that you would be willing to pay for KAT if you were the Spurs? Or is he "avoid at all costs" for you?
I'm not worried about that last year salary btw. The cap should be pushing $200M by then. Paying 1/3 of it for your second best player, especially when Wemby will be on just a rookie extension, leaves plenty of room to fill out the roster.
Those were bad teams, with no semblance of a second star and in the second and third seasons of that stretch, he played 35 and 50 games respectively.
Only MVP caliber players have a chance at elevating those types to respectability.
Him being a "max guy" is a given as an All-NBA caliber player, but the only thing that generally guarantees team wise, is non bottom feeder status which he has delivered when healthy.
I've repeatedly heard that the expectation is that it will.
I don't want to pay $55M for that. , DJ led us that far, and was making $15M before we traded him to ATL. The list of guys who can do that for <<< $55M is very long.
That was his breakout to becoming a top starter/All-Star caliber player and he's now been extended at a number befitting of that status.
It was also for a single season and with White (mostly) and Poeltl, both better than anyone on those Timberwolves teams.
Anyway, as I said initially this is all moot anyway. The point is, let's not play the results without context game and pretend Towns isn't All-NBA caliber because of his obvious flaws.
I got downvoted years ago saying KAT was a completely empty player. Minny would be delighted to get rid of him. That's money you could spend on actual winners.
For me, his salary is the context. Yes, he has his strengths, but his salary going forward will be higher than that of Jokic or Giannis, and he's not a #1 guy, and very possibly not a #2 guy. Adding him cancels out a lot of potential future moves, and I just don't think he's a good value. Julius Randle was an All-NBA winner this year, and I'd feel the same about him.
Last edited by R. DeMurre; 09-06-2023 at 08:41 PM.
Fair enough.
He is a "#1 guy", just not on a championship contender and he's definitely a "#2 guy" on one.
Again, not happening nor would I be in favor of it.
There's a difference between making an All-NBA (or All-Star) team(s) and being an All-NBA (or All-Star) player. Randle is the former, Towns is the latter.
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