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Not quite. I'm thinking that more than a few transactions will flow once the Dame trade happens.
Spurs front office could not even trade him for cash
Wow
Not quite. I'm thinking that more than a few transactions will flow once the Dame trade happens.
If I recall correctly Suns paid us to take him pretty much.
I don't think it'll happen. Maybe middle of the season.
Same. Blazers are definitely ready to wait.
For what? He's said he won't play anywhere else, and Miami has finite resources. Two picks, some swaps, and Herro is it. No other team wants to risk resources to try. Waiting is just petty, and foolish. Get the mad out of your system, and get the trade done. Anything else risks completely destroying the relationship with a franchise icon. It's their damn fault anyway. They should have traded him two years ago, before they tanked twice. This is why you have to choose a clear path. You're either rebuilding or re-tooling. Pick one, and be clear about it, so your star knows what you're doing, and can act accordingly.
Preach sir!!! I love Dame tbh but Portland needs to lift that offer and move forward.
To put players on notice to honor their contracts? I dunno, it might be that integrity and honor don't matter anymore, but if you're willing to take the money and sign that fat contract, do your job.
Again, I know things are different and people are generally s my in today's age, but he signed an agreement and isn't holding his part of the bargain up.
I don't disagree with your logic here at all, but I am concerned that if Portland does the "smart" thing - it will essentially reward Dame and the Heat for playing a de facto no trade clause, and create a successful precedent for others to do that same thing. For Portland's own sake, they should just "get the made out of the system and get the trade down" like you state. For the sake of the league, they should stand pat.
That's not how the NBA works any more, and in reality, they tanked twice, but thought that without discussing it, he would be fine with a rebuild?? Obviously, he's not. They should have made sure they were on the same page, and really should have traded him two years ago, or at a minimum, spring or summer of 2022. It would have avoided all of this, and gotten them a better price. If they traded him before the delayed 2021 Olympic tournament, he wouldn't have been so locked into Miami having played with Bam on that team.
Superstars run the show. It's reality, and you don't force them to do anything unless you never want another one on your roster.
Last edited by exstatic; 09-11-2023 at 05:14 PM.
That's happening repeatedly already. Portland cannot fix it. Only the league can by putting something in the next CBA.
There were posters here who wanted us to hold Kawhi and The Group to the fire, but that wouldn't have worked out, either. We got Poodle, DD and a first round pick. We flipped DD to Chicago for another FRP and Young, who we combined with a SRP to get another FRP. We then flipped Poodle back to TOR for a very lightly protected FRP. Total: 4 FRPs. If you're patient, you can improve on an initial return that is non-ideal, and move on.
Difference between Neph and Dame trades is that Neph never demanded he go to one team and one team only. Have any other players successfully pulled a de facto no-trade clause like Dame is attempting to?
League needs to come down with fines on Dame and his agent for this stunt. I'm usually all for player empowerment (and employee empowerment in general) but in this case Dame is excessively causing harm to the team who currently holds his rights (which happens in any scenario where a player demands a trade - but especially when you limit it to only one team). If this is allowed to slide, Miami should lower their offer to only 1 FRP.
And especially if we hope that one day the Spurs will add more stars around Wemby via trade, we should not want Portland to simply acquiesce to Dame holding them hostage. I know there is a fantasy that Luka will demand to play for the Spurs and no one else, but let's be real here. If players are granted the proven ability to have a de facto trade clause, the Spurs aren't going to be able to acquire a star player ever.
Payne has been airing out his feelings about the trade on Insta and social media.
I get it, no player wants to get traded from a team that is contending, but he didn't seem to really want to be in San Antonio and those aren't the type of players we want to surround our young guys with.
Would've been nice to get something for him, but cuts have to be made and this may be another case of the Spurs FO trying to be the "nice guys"
never liked him anyways going back to okc.. not surprised him crying about it.
No matter what the non glamor markets do, superstars aren't flocking to them and will look for any excuse/reason to leave them anyway, so the priority needs to be doing right by themselves.
If Cronin blows this, it could be the beginning of his end with them and his sole shot at being the lead decision maker.
No, he had the decency to demand a market that just so happened to have two teams.
He was the ringleader for much of the behavior we see today (Davis pulled Lakers or bust), since they all saw that you can pull virtually anything and not only get away with it, but have it increase your profile somehow.
Dude didn’t want to be traded here. No point in keeping his mopey ass around. Good riddance.
Does anyone know how much Phoenix paid us to take on his contract ? I know we got a second, was there anything else or did we just get a grumpy dude that thinks more of himself than the rest of the league does plus his 6.5 million dollar contract.
Sources close to the Blazers indicated they'd be ready to wait. Bluff or not, the relatioship is already broken anyway and I don't believe they want to make Lillard any favor now... Besides, the offer should still be there at the next trade deadline and you never what else could be there, we've seen weirdest things in the NBA, but if you don't wait, you'll never know. Blazers are not playing for anything next year, there's no real pressure for them and I suppose Dame would still somehow mentor Scoot in the meantime.
I'm not even defending the waiting game for POR but that's really not to be excluded. We'll see.
Last edited by JPB; 09-11-2023 at 07:22 PM.
Reports about the trade say spurs got $5.7M in cash to eat his deal. Apparently that was the max amount of cash the Suns could send out under the old CBA. So basically the Spurs bought a SRP (I think vía NOLA) for $800,000.
And what will they get at the deadline? No one else is going to offer anything for a player who doesn’t want to be on their team. They’ll get 2 FRPs and swap(s) plus Herro from Miami, exactly what they’ll get now.
And just like that Payne got his wish and is released...
Thanks this made my night
Bravo
If some other team picks him up in 48 hrs is Payne's 6.5 off the Spurs books?
Is that not how it works? If it is, who would be likely candidates? Does Payne have the league wide interest level to be griping about being miserable in SA?
Payne in the ass
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