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Spurs making space for Primo?
Maybe, but training camp is the first artificial deadline, so there's no downside to waiting and seeing if they can squeeze out an extra asset.
With 4 seasons remaining on his contract, his only leverage is banking on their not wanting to take the PR hit of "doing wrong by him".
Spurs making space for Primo?
He has a decent amount of interest around the league.... quite a few of the outside shot at a championship teams might take a flyer on him.... He has a decent 3 ball shows in the playoffs and is an ok ball handler. He is cheap insurance at the PG spot. No one loves him enough to take him with in the 48 hours when you can just sit and wait and negotiate just over league min. There decent interest though.
While the Spurs are waiving players at or below Paynes level can they just go ahead and waive Birch, Graham, Osman, & Bullock too??
No one is going to want to pick up his contract, so he'll clear waivers, and sign for league minimum, which will come off of the salary we still owe him.
No. He's never coming back, besides which we are now "down to" like 20 roster spots, not really "room" for anyone.Spurs making space for Primo?
Why waive Graham? He did pretty well last year with us. It would be a pretty big cash bite, too, $12.5M this year plus his guaranteed $2.5M next year. $15M is a lot different than waiving Payne for $6M, most of which PHO paid us for.
I feel like the team loves Graham, great at ude and he does what Pop wants from him -- just shoots the ball when open. Makes him a good threat in pick-and-rolls. Good vet to have for the year.
I don't get why Birch has lasted this long. I think it's Birch and one other dude and that's the offseason.
I think they're hanging onto the rest of these guys for salary ballast for a possible trade. Birch has some kind of chronic knee thing, and might not make it back or play again, so that's really all he's useful for.
Eventually (and soon), cuts or a trade will have to be made, and frankly, I don't see any of the three that should stand in the way of converting Barlow. Cut 'em all.
Agree. I just don't think there's a market open anymore, least at this point. 1) The Harden and Dame trades don't look to happen until after season begins, if ever, and 2) No one has anything to trade. I could see a team liking a Reggie Bullock but not trading for him, same as with Payne.
So, yeah, I see probably Birch and Bullock going, but I've lost track of how many cuts they need. I see them keeping Osman for now.
Did he though? Here’s my issue - the combination of Tre Jones shooting 28% from 3 and Graham at 38% for FGs makes the PG position a complete loss. A guarantee that the Spurs won’t win over 40 games. That’s without even discussing Wesley and his many issues.
What I’d most prefer is to trade Graham. I’m just annoyed that it hasn’t happened yet.
I agree that a trade is unlikely, but you don't close that door until you have to. I think they have to cut two of them, but as I said, I don't think any of them should keep Barlow off the big club. Cut all three when the time comes, and convert Barlow.
Graham will likely be traded at the deadline. He'll bring more then than now, because by then, the contenders are revealed. Teams will pay for a piece that can help them down the stretch and in the playoffs, and who can also be cut next summer if need be to lower them below one of the tax aprons if they send us a full contract for next year, plus some assets.
Agree Graham is a likely deadline trade
Also feel like Doug is a deadline trade and the Spurs were being picky with offers for Doug last deadline, knowing unless it was a slam dunk offer at deadline 23 that SA had another round at deadline 24, even better expiring situation with Doug.
SA could afford to be stingy with Doug offers if any last season
Meanwhile SF could be an audition position in 23-24 with the best of Doug, Champ, Osman, Bullock (both if somehow kept going into this upcoming season) staying on with the team behind KJ and possibly Sochan should Jeremy be able to slide down any due to progression of his game/skills
The rest of the SFs playing up their value where applicable until a deadline 24 trade.
Glad he’s gone - didn’t want to be here and the trade was not for him but the capital. Not too surprised they could not trade him tbh, just glad he wont be soaking up minutes from Tre/Branham or others.
Spurs will use Sochan as a PG too
Help me understand what we got.. the cash is less than the salary that needed to be eaten, so is it 800k for a 2nd rounder?
We will also meet the salary floor, and get our luxtax distribution next summer. Also, if someone signs him to a contract, that money is subtracted from what we owe him.
BTW, 800K is cheap for a second rounder.
Detroit ate $20 million to take Joe Harris and got two second round picks.
When you put it in that perspective, 800k is a real bargain and then some, considering we got rid of a malcontent as well.
We didn’t need Payne to hit the floor
generally speaking, really not caring for “hitting the floor” as a positive trait for a trade
If he signs with someone which I am sure he will the minimum salary for him is around $2.7 million. So the Spurs will end up with almost $2 million plus a 2nd round pick for nothing. Seems like a small win to me.
Payne is clearly a little better player in his head than what he's shown so far in the league. Spurs don't need that with this young group. If he embraced being a veteran leader that would have been cool...but no big loss.
It's much more important this year than ever before. If you don't hit the floor, you lose half of your luxtax payment next summer. That's millions. In subsequent years, the entire payment will be forfeited.We didn’t need Payne to hit the floor
generally speaking, really not caring for “hitting the floor” as a positive trait for a trade
you can hit the floor by signing some guy off the street to a guaranteed deal and waiving him
"hitting the floor" doesnt add any value to the trade
in any event, our current cap number is about 16 mil over the floor. the payne trade wasnt needed to get us over the floor. im glad we made the deal because we got a pick out of it
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