Ukraine

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Morning Thread

Mornin'!

[hater]

Meanwhile in the USA:

wtf

[hater]

[Ef-man]

A little buffing with new paint job and it will be as good as new. -putler

[Ef-man]

Really, it will be safe to use, no need for concern. -putler

[ChumpDumper]

? What is so unbelievable?

Yah atleast 50% of my family back home is outspoken in support. 1/4 is silent supporters and roughly 5 or so (typically living/working abroad in EU) silent question the direction and/legislature taken in Poland.

Vast majority of Polska still supports. General consensus is we will fight (to a point) to keep a buffer zone from Russia.


Sidenote: overall few are taking to social media to speak their mind. Polska is a society focused on community issues - there are demonstrations often when I visit but national & global topics are brushed aside as there is little alternative. The nation is united on these topics.

Why did you lie saying Russia didn't try to take Kyiv?

[hater]

Must see if you dont understand where the Ukranian Banderist Nazi ideology comes from

Meanwhile in 2023 Ukraine:

nazis

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Meanwhile in 2023 Ukraine:

nazis

[hater]

Our F35s are defecting to Cuba

[velik_m]

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"NEVER SURRENDER!"

[koriwhat]

Ukraine!

[hater]

F35 ed around....


Found out....

[hater]

Ukraine!

[ElNono]

The US, NATO and Ukraine said it

"Crimea by Fall"

Exactly. No one here said it.

"3-5 days" though

[ElNono]

Hopefully the fanatics don't call General Milley, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, an "appeaser" for stating reality.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4...0long%20time.”

General Milley doesn't agree with any kind of concessions to Putler or stopping economic or military support to Ukraine.

[ElNono]

This is what he said last November.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ine-negotiate/

When he talks about how "difficult" it would be to completely eject Russia and then about "windows" for political solutions, it sounds to me like he is very open to negotiations that will end in lost territory for Ukraine. I don't know how to read that much differently. I just think we're at the point now where we should actually be pushing for it.

He's very clear and quotable, no need to 'parse' through his own words: the United States would “continue to support Ukraine as long as it takes to keep them free”.

Sounds pretty clear to me.

[ElNono]

Ultimately Miley is right that if there's going to be any concessions or political deal, it'll have to come from Ukraine, not the US.

[hater]

Exactly. No one here said it.

"3-5 days" though

US, NATO and Ukraine did


"Crimea by Fall"

[ChumpDumper]

US, NATO and Ukraine did


"Crimea by Fall"

You said Kyiv in 3-5 days.

After saying Russia would not invade.

After saying Biden was wrong about Russia's plan.

How can you live with yourself after being that wrong?

[hater]

"Kyrylo Budanov, Chief of Defence Intelligence of Ukraine (DIU), has told The Economist that the Ukrainian Defence Forces might manage to break Russia's land corridor with occupied Crimea before the onset of winter. In desperation, the Russians have deployed their reserves prematurely."



https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/18/7420234/

[DMX7]

He's very clear and quotable, no need to 'parse' through his own words: the United States would “continue to support Ukraine as long as it takes to keep them free”.

Sounds pretty clear to me.

"Keep them free" doesn't speak to preservation of territorial integrity at all. In fact, it's the exact words I would use to describe my support for Ukraine. Give what is necessary to hold the territory they control (i.e., keep them free), but not to spend endless resources hopelessly trying to eject Russia from Crimea in an endless war.

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Ukraine!

& 'em hard. & 'em daily. But, for sure hard.

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"Keep them free" doesn't speak to preservation of territorial integrity at all. In fact, it's the exact words I would use to describe my support for Ukraine. Give what is necessary to hold the territory they control (i.e., keep them free), but not to spend endless resources hopelessly trying to eject Russia from Crimea in an endless war.

Z declared that the only way Ukraine can exact victory is if Russia gives up the 20% they hold, including the Zap plant and Southern Water and crosses back over into Russia. And that sucker is gonna be held to that line, so help-me-God.

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You said Kyiv in 3-5 days.

After saying Russia would not invade.

After saying Biden was wrong about Russia's plan.

How can you live with yourself after being that wrong?

He's living with me, Dumper, and trust me he ain't no picnic.