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    The Spurs are absolutely not tanking this season. WTF.

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    The Spurs are absolutely not tanking this season. WTF.
    They brought back the team they just tanked with

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    They brought back the team they just tanked with
    I think there might be one difference

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    They brought back the team they just tanked with
    Do you know what tanking means? Lol.

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    I think there might be one difference
    I don't think Keita Bates-Diop was that big of a negative

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    I don't think Keita Bates-Diop was that big of a negative
    Somehow, I don’t think KBD was the difference he was referring to…

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    Somehow, I don’t think KBD was the difference he was referring to…
    Romeo Langford then.

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    Somehow, I don’t think KBD was the difference he was referring to…
    Well Aldridge assistant coaching next season isn't a done deal either.

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    I think there might be one difference
    Drafting him was a formality. The team had decisions on what do with the rest of its offseason and chose to sell cap space for future picks (decision im good with) and didn’t bring in talent to help the team win now. I’m not sure how else they could have tanked more other than trading the wemby pick

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    Drafting him was a formality. The team had decisions on what do with the rest of its offseason and chose to sell cap space for future picks (decision im good with) and didn’t bring in talent to help the team win now. I’m not sure how else they could have tanked more other than trading the wemby pick
    They could send Wemby to Austin so he can get over himself.

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    Drafting him was a formality. The team had decisions on what do with the rest of its offseason and chose to sell cap space for future picks (decision im good with) and didn’t bring in talent to help the team win now. I’m not sure how else they could have tanked more other than trading the wemby pick
    They also chose to give their young players another year to evaluate who they keep next to Wemby. Lotta unanswered questions there, such as how good is Devin or can Jeremy and Keldon play together and if not which one do you keep? Only big disappointment of the offseason for me was not getting Lopez, but Milwaukee backed up a dump truck of cash to him so he wasn't going to leave a le contender for a rebuilding team when the money was similar. None of the young guys have enough value to use as trade pieces and come out ahead right now and Lollard and Harden are too old to trade for on a rebuilding team.

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    They also chose to give their young players another year to evaluate who they keep next to Wemby. Lotta unanswered questions there, such as how good is Devin or can Jeremy and Keldon play together and if not which one do you keep? Only big disappointment of the offseason for me was not getting Lopez, but Milwaukee backed up a dump truck of cash to him so he wasn't going to leave a le contender for a rebuilding team when the money was similar. None of the young guys have enough value to use as trade pieces and come out ahead right now and Lollard and Harden are too old to trade for on a rebuilding team.
    Give a year to evaluate young guys is a euphemism for tanking. I’m not even saying it’s wrong. But it’s not the FO trying to build the roster with the intention of winning as many games as possible this year.

    short of trading the wemby pick, what else could they have done that would be more tanky than what we did this offseason? Trade Keldon i guess

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    Give a year to evaluate young guys is a euphemism for tanking. I’m not even saying it’s wrong. But it’s not the FO trying to build the roster with the intention of winning as many games as possible this year.
    So if Sacramento doesn't make a move for Harden because their young guys have a better future that's tanking? Tanking is gutting your team and resting your best players to lose as many games as possible to chase lottery balls.

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    By the way, the le is now totally wrong since it appears that Miami doesn’t seem that interested in Lillard.

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    So if Sacramento doesn't make a move for Harden because their young guys have a better future that's tanking? Tanking is gutting your team and resting your best players to lose as many games as possible to chase lottery balls.
    No. The kings are playoff team. For them to tank they’d have to move sabonis/fox. Their expectation with this club is to make the playoffs again and compete again. We already gutted our team in recent years by moving white, Murray, Poeltl with nothing to show for it yet but Devonte graham, khem birch, a bunch of future picks, and Blake Wesley

    obviously you can do things in-season geared toward tanking as well. Just talking about offseason approaches. Other than not trading the #1 pick they didn’t do anything to improve the roster that earned the #1 pick.

    i would define tanking as either the FO, coaches, or both intentionally crafting a team that is not meant to win games, or intentionally made to not be compe ive. Think we’ve basically done that in the offseason, again, short of moving keldon

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    No. The kings are playoff team. For them to tank they’d have to move sabonis/fox. Their expectation with this club is to make the playoffs again and compete again. We already gutted our team in recent years by moving white, Murray, Poeltl with nothing to show for it yet but Devonte graham, khem birch, a bunch of future picks, and Blake Wesley

    obviously you can do things in-season geared toward tanking as well. Just talking about offseason approaches. Other than not trading the #1 pick they didn’t do anything to improve the roster that earned the #1 pick.

    i would define tanking as either the FO, coaches, or both intentionally crafting a team that is not meant to win games, or intentionally made to not be compe ive. Think we’ve basically done that in the offseason, again, short of moving keldon
    If that had been all we did last year, we would have finished with about the same wins as Portland, 33ish Tanking requires intent. You have to dump games by minimizing playing time your best players are on the court by holding them out, or pulling them late in games. Pop threw games.

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    If that had been all we did last year, we would have finished with about the same wins as Portland, 33ish Tanking requires intent. You have to dump games by minimizing playing time your best players are on the court by holding them out, or pulling them late in games. Pop through games.
    I can only speak to the off-season approach at this point. From the moment dejounte was traded it was clear we were tanking. And yet very early into the season we won some games and weren’t benching players or throwing games via rotations just yet

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    The Spurs are absolutely not tanking this season. WTF.
    Agreed. The optics alone would be terrible after hauling in the #1 overall pick, and I wouldn't want Wemby starting his NBA career in tank mode. That's a real easy way to piss off someone you hope to be your franchise player.

    I do think we are still a good 2-3 years away from being truly compe ive, but this team deserves the chance to go out and see what it can do. Let the cards fall where they may.

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    By the way, the le is now totally wrong since it appears that Miami doesn’t seem that interested in Lillard.
    Been the same song & dance all summer. The only development I've heard of is that Suns may be available to help facilitate using Ayton who has historically been malcontent in Phoenix.

    That said, this is all based off a tweet that said a Lillard deal would be happening within 24 hours....and that was like 72 hours ago

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    Spurs are in a great spot to improve the 3 way possible: draft, trade and free agency.

    - I agree with you that right now draft is the primary way to improve the team. I'm convinced Spurs' FO is tanking this season to get an as high as possible pick in the 2024 draft. Wright hasn't really tried to add some vets this summer to make the team more compe ive. Saying that, maybe the young core will do like OKC last season and surprises everybody, but they haven't been put in a position to succeed by the FO.


    - The trade landscape looks bleak for the moment but Spurs have some really nice assets (Hawks, Bulls and Mavs picks...).
    I would add a quote from Wojnarowski that he said few days ago:
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    - Spurs will have a lot of cap space next summer. If a player like Pascal Siakam becomes an unrestricted free agent, should Spurs go after him ?
    In my view Vassell is the lynchpin as to whether they accelerate their push to be good starting next summer (as opposed to 2025, which feels more realistic). If he has a breakthrough year this coming campaign -- to me means becoming a reasonable facsimile of Mikal Bridges -- I could see them looking at bringing in another good but complementary piece to move up the timeline, e.g., Tobias Harris, Gordon Hayward (if healthy), and maybe even Pascal if the price isn't ridiculous (which it will be). I think this would also hasten the departure of Keldon, which still feels like to me the odd man out over the next 2 years.

    But as you say they have tremendous flexibility, of the kind I've never seen in all my years as a Spurs fan.

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    In my view Vassell is the lynchpin as to whether they accelerate their push to be good starting next summer (as opposed to 2025, which feels more realistic). If he has a breakthrough year this coming campaign -- to me means becoming a reasonable facsimile of Mikal Bridges -- I could see them looking at bringing in another good but complementary piece to move up the timeline, e.g., Tobias Harris, Gordon Hayward (if healthy), and maybe even Pascal if the price isn't ridiculous (which it will be). I think this would also hasten the departure of Keldon, which still feels like to me the odd man out over the next 2 years.

    But as you say they have tremendous flexibility, of the kind I've never seen in all my years as a Spurs fan.
    I don't see getting another three when that's the one spot the Spurs have two good players at in Sochan and Keldon and definitely not a four if Wemby isn't going to play center. PG is the Spurs' major need, damn if Lillard was two years younger.

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    I don't see getting another three when that's the one spot the Spurs have two good players at in Sochan and Keldon and definitely not a four if Wemby isn't going to play center. PG is the Spurs' major need, damn if Lillard was two years younger.
    At some point you need to replace Keldon with a 3 that can be at least an above average defender if not an elite one to compete for a championship. If Sochan can shoot 3s at an average clip he could be that guy, but Keldon is not.

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    The Spurs will be happy to play a lot of young guys this season and let them figure things out.
    That includes Wemby.
    Winning will be secondary to development.
    Call it tanking or call it whatever you want but result will likely be a lottery team.

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    "Development Year"

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    I can only speak to the off-season approach at this point. From the moment dejounte was traded it was clear we were tanking. And yet very early into the season we won some games and weren’t benching players or throwing games via rotations just yet
    But we did, eventually. The team was better than they thought it would be, and that would have been catastrophic had it continued. Jeremy Sochan played 6 games each in Feb and March. He didn't play at all in the 5 April games. If his 'knee' was bad enough to hold him out of 19 games, they would have scoped it. They didn't. It was a fig leaf of cover for the team after the commissioner's warning last summer.

    Tanking is a process that consists of a number of steps, and we're not doing all, or even most of those steps this year. I think you'll see much more of that 5-2 team this year than the one after that stretch.

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