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    Sometimes one player, not even a star, can make a big difference. We got smoked by LA in 2001, beaten 4-2 in 2002, added one non-star player, and won 3 of the next 5 championships. That player was Bruce Bowen, and he wasn't near the player that Jrue is, skill wise.
    I think adding Manu may have had something to do with that as well, don't you think? Horry too.

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    I think adding Manu may have had something to do with that as well, don't you think? Horry too.
    One thing that wrecked us againt LAL was our point guard play. I loved Terry Porter back in the day, but he was dunzo by that point. Kobe was murder picking him up before halfcourt. Then suddenly we had Parker and that problem was gone.

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    I think adding Manu may have had something to do with that as well, don't you think? Horry too.
    Horry wasn't on the 2002-2003 team. Manu was a rookie, and didn't play until December, because of an injury suffered in the FIBA WC that summer.

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    I think they’re on a 1-2 year plan, pushing all the chips into the pot.
    1-2 year plan with 25 year old tatum and 26 year old brown is really insane lol

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    1-2 year plan with 25 year old tatum and 26 year old brown is really insane lol
    It's not the ages, it's the payroll. Tatum is going to get paid next summer, and do you think he will take one penny less than Brown did this summer?

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    It's not the ages, it's the payroll. Tatum is going to get paid next summer, and do you think he will take one penny less than Brown did this summer?
    i know. im not calling your assessment insane. i'm questioning boston's strategy.

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    i know. im not calling your assessment insane. i'm questioning boston's strategy.
    If they don't win a le, their whole strategy from trading KG and Pierce to NJ up until the present was for nothing.

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    If they don't win a le, their whole strategy from trading KG and Pierce to NJ up until the present was for nothing.
    sure. but with tatum being a top 5 player in the league, your window to win around him is at least 6 years right now. its crazy to me that they'd be mortgaging so much just to try to force a win before his age 29 season or whatever.

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    sure. but with tatum being a top 5 player in the league, your window to win around him is at least 6 years right now. its crazy to me that they'd be mortgaging so much just to try to force a win before his age 29 season or whatever.
    With the new second apron rule, they won't be able to keep both Tatum and Brown and put a good team around them. They'll likely have to offload Brown and turn him into picks and young players as sort of a soft re-boot.

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    Tatum making as much as Brown means they'll have two players occupying $110-130 million of their cap as the years advance. I realize the cap will probably go up, but that's insane.

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    they should have just moved brown

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    they should have just moved brown
    I think they ultimately will, but the timing may not have been right, and if he didn't extend this year, he would have been unrestricted next.

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    Sometimes one player, not even a star, can make a big difference. We got smoked by LA in 2001, beaten 4-2 in 2002, added one non-star player, and won 3 of the next 5 championships. That player was Bruce Bowen, and he wasn't near the player that Jrue is, skill wise.
    I think adding Manu may have had something to do with that as well, don't you think? Horry too.
    Horry wasn't on the 2002-2003 team. Manu was a rookie, and didn't play until December, because of an injury suffered in the FIBA WC that summer.
    You mentioned a 5 year window, Horry played in 80% of that time frame. As for rookie Manu, in the Lakers series he had the third most points (11.7 behind Tony's 14.8), and assists, and the most steals. He was already a big contributor. This isn't to take anything away from Bruce, he was huge and most of his contributions don't make it to the boxscore, but to reduce going from losing to winning 3/5 to just adding him is disingenuous. Great addition, but a of a lot more than that happened.

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    they should have just moved brown
    Got to feel there will be a healthy market to unload Brown, even with this deal. Celtics smart to run it back with Tatum and Brown but the bolstered support around them and see if it works. If not, you can offload Brown and Jrue’s deal is short term, shouldn’t be too hard to retool around Tatum.

    Just hope for our sake it completely falls apart in 2028, though I do think Boston is set up as well as anyone right now for sustained success.

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    Got to feel there will be a healthy market to unload Brown, even with this deal. Celtics smart to run it back with Tatum and Brown but the bolstered support around them and see if it works. If not, you can offload Brown and Jrue’s deal is short term, shouldn’t be too hard to retool around Tatum.

    Just hope for our sake it completely falls apart in 2028, though I do think Boston is set up as well as anyone right now for sustained success.
    im not sure what Brown's market will look like with that contract tbh. i cant even imagine a potential suitor

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    You mentioned a 5 year window, Horry played in 80% of that time frame. As for rookie Manu, in the Lakers series he had the third most points (11.7 behind Tony's 14.8), and assists, and the most steals. He was already a big contributor. This isn't to take anything away from Bruce, he was huge and most of his contributions don't make it to the boxscore, but to reduce going from losing to winning 3/5 to just adding him is disingenuous. Great addition, but a of a lot more than that happened.
    Without Bruce, Kobe runs wild like he did on everyone else. Manu's 11.7 wouldn't matter.

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    im not sure what Brown's market will look like with that contract tbh. i cant even imagine a potential suitor
    I mean, there were plenty of suitors for Dame, I imagine there will be for Brown as well.

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    I mean, there were plenty of suitors for Dame, I imagine there will be for Brown as well.
    Dame is a much better player than Brown. by orders of magnitude

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    Dame is a much better player than Brown. by orders of magnitude
    Dame’s also 33 while Jaylen is 26. And there is at least one team who will pay Fred Van Vleet $43m/year. Moving Jaylen won’t be a problem.

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