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Imagine GSW with Haliburton and Wagner.
Now they got a WNBA franchise Lacob us claiming they're going to win a championship in five years. Something is really wrong with them.
Wiseman over Lamelo, Haliburton or Vassell
Kuminga over Franz Wagner
Moody over Sengun or Trey Murphy.
They f*cked up their dynasty with those 3 picks.
Oh, I also hate the Podziemski pick, but it's not trendy to say so.
Imagine GSW with Haliburton and Wagner.
Now they got a WNBA franchise Lacob us claiming they're going to win a championship in five years. Something is really wrong with them.
To be fair on the Wiseman pick - wasn't everyone pretty high on him? Didn't everyone want us to make some hypothetical trade of LMA and our pick to move up and get Wiseman?
No, a lot of people had real questions about him. He was hyped beyond regard however.
The story is the actual basketball minds at GS didn't want him but were overruled by the owner and his failson.
He played like 6 games at Memphis, so he was essentially a HS player. I think their GMmleft because he kept getting overruled on these awful picks.
Sure but there are tons of players with downsides in any draft. Almost no one is a sure thing.
In a typical first round draft there are only a few guys who will see minutes long term outside of the top 5 and even fewer are going to be starters. 2nd round is barely worth anything aside from the ultra rare gem.
If missing picks being proof of incompetence is the standard you're holding teams to, then everyone fails. Spurs suck. Miami sucks. Boston is garbage. FFS almost every team had a shot at Jokic and passed on him. Everyone misses future all-stars, if they didn't they'd win 3-4 les every 10 years.
Well, like we've been saying, the Warriors missed on two high lotto picks and one late lotto pick. Those were their hopes to revitalize the franchise longterm. They ed up. You can handwave it all you want.
As for Wiseman, the dude hid himself away after playing a handful of games. To me, and any rational person, that was the reddest of red flags. I mean, a red flag shot up an infinitely tall flagpole for me. Again, it's easy to handwave stupid decisions, but acknowledge the stories that the Warriors brain trust did not want him but were overruled. I cannot help it if people believe ESPN and that bull . I knew I wouldn't want Wiseman. I want credit for that. Others deserve credit for that. It seemed a pretty obvious decision (not picking him) that turned out to be right. I don't appreciate the attempts to wipe it away.
In an annual piece (ESPN+ link), ESPN’s Zach Lowe put together his list of five intriguing players to watch out for in the 2023/24 season. Lowe avoids superstars, rookies and second-year players for the most part in his rankings. LaMelo Ball, Devin Vassell, Josh Giddey, Ayton and Immanuel Quickley are the five names Lowe selects to watch out for, with each having a chance to take their respective teams to the next level.
You can read the full piece on Devin page 3.
Quickley was who I was hoping the Spurs would try to trade for. The way he ended the season looks like he is definitely ready for that "next level".
The guy they weren't trading?
Nearly every player in the past 20 years of the draft has had red flags aside from LeBron. There are people who are low on Wemby because they say his body won't translate. You can't seriously claim there are teams out there who never whiff on potential rebuilding picks when the entire league passed on Joker. That's the nature of scouting. Missing a year or two of good draft picks, even lottery level players, is far less important than putting a good machine in place that can accelerate and increase player potential. If you play the "what-if" game then no team is ever going to win a le by drafting well except for the ones that succeed on pure luck, and I would give scouts just a bit more credit than that. I think the warriors winning culture is much stronger than most teams.
You want credit for making a single call about one player when over 90% of players in a given draft end up being busts, and >95% outside of the lottery? I mean, congrats? That's like me pointing at a random baseball player in a draft and saying "I bet he never throws a 102mph fastball.". I want credit for that. Others deserve credit for that. It seemed a pretty obvious decision (not picking him) that turned out to be right. I don't appreciate the attempts to wipe it away.
The null hypothesis is always easier to make a call on with nba draft picks because teams are so small and so few players make it in the league, even the majority of lottery players never amount to being stars. It's way harder to make a call on a 16th pick in a draft and proclaiming him as a future starter/all-star. The I'm sorry you're upset that I don't put you on equal footing with people who make millions of dollars evaluating players.
Bruh not everyone was in love with Wiseman as you were.Nearly every player in the past 20 years of the draft has had red flags aside from LeBron. There are people who are low on Wemby because they say his body won't translate. You can't seriously claim there are teams out there who never whiff on potential rebuilding picks when the entire league passed on Joker. That's the nature of scouting. Missing a year or two of good draft picks, even lottery level players, is far less important than putting a good machine in place that can accelerate and increase player potential. If you play the "what-if" game then no team is ever going to win a le by drafting well except for the ones that succeed on pure luck, and I would give scouts just a bit more credit than that. I think the warriors winning culture is much stronger than most teams.
You want credit for making a single call about one player when over 90% of players in a given draft end up being busts, and >95% outside of the lottery? I mean, congrats? That's like me pointing at a random baseball player in a draft and saying "I bet he never throws a 102mph fastball."
The null hypothesis is always easier to make a call on with nba draft picks because teams are so small and so few players make it in the league, even the majority of lottery players never amount to being stars. It's way harder to make a call on a 16th pick in a draft and proclaiming him as a future starter/all-star. The I'm sorry you're upset that I don't put you on equal footing with people who make millions of dollars evaluating players.
Beautiful strawman, Champ. Not everyone needs other people to clap and cheer for them because they were right about one draft pick.
To whiff on 3 consecutive lottery picks, two of them high ones, is beyond normal odds, way beyond.Nearly every player in the past 20 years of the draft has had red flags aside from LeBron. There are people who are low on Wemby because they say his body won't translate. You can't seriously claim there are teams out there who never whiff on potential rebuilding picks when the entire league passed on Joker. That's the nature of scouting. Missing a year or two of good draft picks, even lottery level players, is far less important than putting a good machine in place that can accelerate and increase player potential. If you play the "what-if" game then no team is ever going to win a le by drafting well except for the ones that succeed on pure luck, and I would give scouts just a bit more credit than that. I think the warriors winning culture is much stronger than most teams.
You want credit for making a single call about one player when over 90% of players in a given draft end up being busts, and >95% outside of the lottery? I mean, congrats? That's like me pointing at a random baseball player in a draft and saying "I bet he never throws a 102mph fastball."
The null hypothesis is always easier to make a call on with nba draft picks because teams are so small and so few players make it in the league, even the majority of lottery players never amount to being stars. It's way harder to make a call on a 16th pick in a draft and proclaiming him as a future starter/all-star. The I'm sorry you're upset that I don't put you on equal footing with people who make millions of dollars evaluating players.
And, no, lmao, Lebron James did not have "red flags." Learn your terms, sporto.Beautiful strawman, Champ. Not everyone needs other people to clap and cheer for them because they were right about one draft pick.
And... you know what the reddest of red flags is for me? Not wanting to play basketball.
Nearly every player in the past 20 years of the draft has had red flags aside from LeBron.
Oof, a big word like "aside" flushed your reading comprehension down the toilet, eh Champ?
Perfectly fine deal. I think my default guess was about 150m / 5 years (full guarantee) so this is a positive (though, Devin is the type of player I think I tend to overvalue, especially if he doesn't make the jump to being a consistent creator).
Devin's closest comp coming into the draft (and, other than Devin seemingly not giving a last year defensively for...reasons) a good comp is Mikal Bridges. I don't think the kind of jump Mikal had going to the Nets is likely, though that's the kind of upside you're looking for of taking on more usage and being a pretty good 1B (Mikal was 1A, but I don't think he's a good enough primary option to be the #1 on a le contender). That's the kind of upside you're looking for, and that's probably worth close to 25% of the cap if he's the kind of useful off ball defender he's looked like. Something like that Mikal / Middleton is in play. That's a clear, clear win.
The most likely is probably improvement, though steady at around 18 - 20 ppg on mildly positive efficiency, some increase in playmaking value and off the bounce isolation juice to take advantage of poor defenders, and more effort defensively. Something like a souped-up KCP. That's probably still value on his deal, given the % of the cap and the need for those types of players. Not a huge win in team building to have a minor positive, but still a good deal - and getting a good deal on a non rookie / non max deal is a good achievement.
If the cap doesn't go up as anticipated, it's a little risky and probably becomes an overpay - though that seems very unlikely. Advertisers need live events so people can't skip adds, price for the rights goes up. Can't see that changing. The other overpay is if his injury is more serious, and a lack of knee strength / confidence limits him defensively and he can't cover as well. I don't think the Spurs would've busted out this amount in negotiations if they were uncomfortable.
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