*** Official Israel vs Hamas war #13783478343 thread ***

[hater]

Breaking News: Zelensky asks Kori to merge the Ukraine and Israel threads

[Cry Havoc]

Not to get too tactical/removed from the horror that's occurring in this situation, but this is becoming increasingly dangerous for Netanyahu. The more troops he sends into an open battlefield that's likely going to be full of traps, IEDs, possibly mines, and guerilla fighters, the more likely he starts losing large numbers of troops at a time if they're deployed incorrectly or caught off guard/trapped.

He's obviously relying on overwhelming force to crush the resistance that Hamas will offer but that is exactly what guerilla tactics are designed to deal with. I don't like the optics here, and furthermore I don't think Netanyahu has a good military assessment of what he's actually about to do -- he's just reacting as violently as possible to curry favor and reassure people that he is the security PM.

That facade is going to fall away pretty quickly if they don't score major victories with minimal Israeli casualties. If it gets messy and they get bogged down, it's going to further elevate the pressure of the situation, because he obviously cannot afford to be caught with his pants down again.

[Cry Havoc]

And to elaborate on that point a little bit -- everything Israel is doing right now is, while perhaps understandable, also very predictable. Hamas has to know this is coming and that this would be the retribution for their attacks. The fact that Israel is going full sail ground offensive in a region that's fraught with civilians and might have to contend with any number of responses up to and including suicide bombers against a foe that is fully aware they're coming makes me think it's not going to be a simple win here.

I also wouldn't put it past Hamas to bomb their own regions if there were enough Israeli soldiers to make it a justifiable target.

[Cry Havoc]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/busin...nts/index.html

[Thread]

Not to get too tactical/removed from the horror that's occurring in this situation, but this is becoming increasingly dangerous for Netanyahu. The more troops he sends into an open battlefield that's likely going to be full of traps, IEDs, possibly mines, and guerilla fighters, the more likely he starts losing large numbers of troops at a time if they're deployed incorrectly or caught off guard/trapped.[/b]

He's obviously relying on overwhelming force to crush the resistance that Hamas will offer but that is exactly what guerilla tactics are designed to deal with. I don't like the optics here, and furthermore I don't think Netanyahu has a good military assessment of what he's actually about to do -- he's just reacting as violently as possible to curry favor and reassure people that he is the security PM.

That facade is going to fall away pretty quickly if they don't score major victories with minimal Israeli casualties. If it gets messy and they get bogged down, it's going to further elevate the pressure of the situation, because he obviously cannot afford to be caught with his pants down again.

True, that did work on your bedroom floor with your army guys as a child, but this is different.

Though I still my have box of said army guys and Lincoln Logs out in the garage and can even still get down onto the floor with 'em, but gettin' back up requires the girl and a lot of tricky leverage..."C'mon, honey, on 3, 1,2,3. How bout if I make you a nice Bosco now?"

"Thanks. I'll be by my computer talking to my friends in Texas."

"Sounds good, Dale."

[Winehole23]

Not to get too tactical/removed from the horror that's occurring in this situation, but this is becoming increasingly dangerous for Netanyahu. The more troops he sends into an open battlefield that's likely going to be full of traps, IEDs, possibly mines, and guerilla fighters, the more likely he starts losing large numbers of troops at a time if they're deployed incorrectly or caught off guard/trapped.

He's obviously relying on overwhelming force to crush the resistance that Hamas will offer but that is exactly what guerilla tactics are designed to deal with. I don't like the optics here, and furthermore I don't think Netanyahu has a good military assessment of what he's actually about to do -- he's just reacting as violently as possible to curry favor and reassure people that he is the security PM.

That facade is going to fall away pretty quickly if they don't score major victories with minimal Israeli casualties. If it gets messy and they get bogged down, it's going to further elevate the pressure of the situation, because he obviously cannot afford to be caught with his pants down again.

Assuming total IDF success -- Hamas defeated utterly, with no chance of returning to power or threatening Israel -- many problems will remain. Who will govern Gaza? Will refugees be allowed to return? Will Arab nations sit still for the massive destruction, death and displacement such an operation is sure to involve?

[Winehole23]

Israel has shown no inclination to reoccupy Gaza since the pullout. If it did so, the force required could cause internal political strains and security vulnerabilities elsewhere.

[Winehole23]

Not to get too tactical/removed from the horror that's occurring in this situation, but this is becoming increasingly dangerous for Netanyahu. The more troops he sends into an open battlefield that's likely going to be full of traps, IEDs, possibly mines, and guerilla fighters, the more likely he starts losing large numbers of troops at a time if they're deployed incorrectly or caught off guard/trapped. It's not just dangerous for Bibi's coalition, but for the whole country.

He's obviously relying on overwhelming force to crush the resistance that Hamas will offer but that is exactly what guerilla tactics are designed to deal with. I don't like the optics here, and furthermore I don't think Netanyahu has a good military assessment of what he's actually about to do -- he's just reacting as violently as possible to curry favor and reassure people that he is the security PM.

That facade is going to fall away pretty quickly if they don't score major victories with minimal Israeli casualties. If it gets messy and they get bogged down, it's going to further elevate the pressure of the situation, because he obviously cannot afford to be caught with his pants down again.

There is the bare possibility this is exactly what Hamas wanted Israel to do, and that they've prepared for the eventuality, internally and externally. It's dangerous for Bibi and his coalition, but even more dangerous for the whole country.

[Thread]

Assuming total IDF success -- Hamas defeated utterly, with no chance of returning to power or threatening Israel -- many problems will remain. Who will govern Gaza? Will refugees be allowed to return? Will Arab nations sit still for the massive destruction, death and displacement such an operation is sure to involve?

...will Biden suffer a coronary, even a double C?

[velik_m]

[MultiTroll]

Serious Q:

By choking off Gaza, is that doing a damn thing to stop Hamas?

I mean, aren't all their terrorists safely over in Lebanon or Iran or wherever spending the night with multiple goats celebrating?
Pretty sure they thought it thru and didn't say ya, after we cowardly terrorize innocent in Iz, pack it back to Gaza.

So now we've got total innocents in Gaza under horrific conditions.

[Winehole23]

Aid to Gaza is a maybe, but Egypt doesn't want any refugees.

Egypt has discussed plans with the United States and others to provide humanitarian aid through its border with Gaza Strip but rejects any move to set up safe corridors for refugees fleeing the enclave, Egyptian security sources said on Wednesday.

https://www.reuters.com/world/egypt-...es-2023-10-11/

[Thread]

Serious Q:

By choking off Gaza, is that doing a damn thing to stop Hamas?

I mean, aren't all their terrorists safely over in Lebanon or Iran or wherever spending the night with multiple goats celebrating?
Pretty sure they thought it thru and didn't say ya, after we cowardly terrorize innocent in Iz, pack it back to Gaza.

So now we've got total innocents in Gaza under horrific conditions.

Does it matter? Now the Jews & yahoo are blood drunk and want pure-body-count. They can't go as far as Ham reportedly did in savagery with the "bodies," (And Ham knew that pre-Saturday), but they can double, triple, even quadruple the death count that Ham will. Ham can't compete, they knew that when they drew first blood and must have prejudged that (first blood) would be enough, because that was as good as it was going to get, and it would never get that good again.

And, Mult; I'll, no, we'll give Biden here in America the same damn advice that "John Coffey" gave in -The Green Mile-..."Careful."...though a wink to a blind man is as good as a nod.

[Thread]

Aid to Gaza is a maybe, but Egypt doesn't want any refugees.

https://www.reuters.com/world/egypt-...es-2023-10-11/

Egypt chose wisely.

[MultiTroll]

And what are the Hamas buttF's doing for the people remaining in Gaza?

[Thread]

And what are the Hamas buttF's doing for the people remaining in Gaza?

Its' every man, woman, and child for themselves.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Serious Q:

By choking off Gaza, is that doing a damn thing to stop Hamas?

I mean, aren't all their terrorists safely over in Lebanon or Iran or wherever spending the night with multiple goats celebrating?
Pretty sure they thought it thru and didn't say ya, after we cowardly terrorize innocent in Iz, pack it back to Gaza.

So now we've got total innocents in Gaza under horrific conditions.

Hamas runs Gaza. If they are driven out to Iran and Lebanon then that would achieve Israel's goals I imagine.

[Ef-man]

And what are the Hamas buttF's doing for the people remaining in Gaza?

Right now, they are just dying.

[Proxy]

Hamas runs Gaza. If they are driven out to Iran and Lebanon then that would achieve Israel's goals I imagine.

Israel's goals are to decentralize the region ad infinitum, there will always be conflict there as long as the west exists as is

[Proxy]

crazy how blatant the pro israel propaganda is and how many people just gobble it down

[Thread]

crazy how blatant the pro israel propaganda is and how many people just gobble it down

Amen.

[HemisfairArena]

cry me a river, es,,,,hope Israel turns up the in' heat,,,,,you embraced hamas, you housed hamas, you fed hamas and now you can stay and die with hamas,,,,no skin off my back,,,,,im actually upset Israel gave you a warning about the upcoming attack and a chance to get out,,,,,hamas and you supporters of it never gave the innocent Israeli people a heads up of what was coming,,,,


‘We’re not Hamas’: Gaza residents say airstrikes are putting civilians in grave danger (yahoo.com)

[Cry Havoc]

Assuming total IDF success -- Hamas defeated utterly, with no chance of returning to power or threatening Israel -- many problems will remain. Who will govern Gaza? Will refugees be allowed to return? Will Arab nations sit still for the massive destruction, death and displacement such an operation is sure to involve?

I assume Israel's objective is to take any/all land they desire in the region, hold it regardless of what the international community says, and just dump the rest to anarchy.

Of course, it'll give rise to more terrorism and more instability in the region, but if they cared even 1% about that situation or about limiting human suffering, we'd never have gotten here to begin with.

The more crudely Israel does here, the more of it's own people it will endanger long-term and the greater likelihood of destabilizing a large portion of the Middle East.

For a nation that says the entire Middle East wants them destroyed, they certainly don't seem to care about anything other than displaying brazen military might. While that might work in Gaza against Palestinians because the international community will hold it's nose, I somehow doubt they will see that kind of unconditional backing if this conflict sprawls.

This could easily protract into a much wider conflict or even an extended cold war with half a dozen other nations directly involved and 2-3x that with indirect involvement.

I somehow doubt even the best military/political minds have a good handle on how far this will end up sprawling. We're in total wild card territory. And the minute we start seeing the kind of atrocities I'm fully expecting from the Israeli troops showing up in media, I'm not optimistic about where this is going to go.

[Thread]

I assume Israel's objective is to take any/all land they desire in the region, hold it regardless of what the international community says, and just dump the rest to anarchy.

Of course, it'll give rise to more terrorism and more instability in the region, but if they cared even 1% about that situation or about limiting human suffering, we'd never have gotten here to begin with.

The more crudely Israel does here, the more of it's own people it will endanger long-term and the greater likelihood of destabilizing a large portion of the Middle East.

For a nation that says the entire Middle East wants them destroyed, they certainly don't seem to care about anything other than displaying brazen military might. While that might work in Gaza against Palestinians because the international community will hold it's nose, I somehow doubt they will see that kind of unconditional backing if this conflict sprawls.

This could easily protract into a much wider conflict or even an extended cold war with half a dozen other nations directly involved and 2-3x that with indirect involvement.

I somehow doubt even the best military/political minds have a good handle on how far this will end up sprawling. We're in total wild card territory. And the minute we start seeing the kind of atrocities I'm fully expecting from the Israeli troops showing up in media, I'm not optimistic about where this is going to go.

...but you/we won't see them (Israeli troops atrocities) if they occur. MSM will keep them hidden, fog them in, redirect them. (They/the other side) must keep and preserve Ham as the Barbarian's in this major dust up. MSM/CNN primarily has the job and duty to accomplish that mission. It's on them and them alone and they're up to it. This is their wheelhouse, where they are at their best and where they will-not-fail. It's what they do, it's all they do, and when called upon it's a thing of abstract beauty to be brutally honest. This is fresh meat for them; they're tired of Trump & of Russia/Ukraine. They've been refreshed by this Ham massacre.

[hater]

cry me a river, es,,,,hope Israel turns up the in' heat,,,,,you embraced hamas, you housed hamas, you fed hamas and now you can stay and die with hamas,,,,no skin off my back,,,,,im actually upset Israel gave you a warning about the upcoming attack and a chance to get out,,,,,hamas and you supporters of it never gave the innocent Israeli people a heads up of what was coming,,,,


‘We’re not Hamas’: Gaza residents say airstrikes are putting civilians in grave danger (yahoo.com)

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