If Sochan can get comfortable facilitating the offense, our lineup with him as point and Wemby as PF is going to cause so many matchup problems for opposing teams that it's going to be ridiculous. Our smallest starter is Keldon, and he was the starting power-forward muscle two years ago (obviously with Poeltl plodding around too). This team might make a lot of noise if everyone gels and this group gets flowing.
Sochan does not have the handles to be the primary pg. I do agree that he’s a great change of pace to create mismatches/problems etc.
The last thing we want is for Sochan to be tasked with chasing down speedy guards all game.
He may even start at pg but makes no sense to force him into that slot full as the primary facilitator of the offense.
What do you think he's going to do, even if he's playing forward? He's our point of attack defender, and will chase whoever he needs to, like Bruce did. Dirk one night, Allen Iverson the next.
he's obviously a good passer, dont think anybody here has doubted that
im still not convinced he's good enough create anything, to cause the defense to react in meaningful ways, etc. he did have a couple of nice drives here but that came against Saric. did end it with one nice pick and roll pass to bassey on the short role. he's still so young and can get better, but i think its less of a skill issue and more of him just not having great burst/athleticism to be a drive threat
if wemby is going to be this good, and vassell's shooting has taken that next step, perhaps its something we can get away with. given the defensive potential, hard not to be at least somewhat intrigued. i do think this experiment is sochan's most realistic path to the starting 5.
I think his floor game is going to be far better if he's going up against PFs than perimeter players. His best post move is a fadeaway, which also works well against bigger guys rather than smaller players he'd have a harder time "feeling out". I could see him having a lot more success when Wemby is on the bench and Jeremy is probably the second-tallest Spur on the court. So long as Collins is going to start, I don't know if even putting in a guard for Johnson would really alter the projected defenses.
that tracks with him having the most success when defended by Saric
think we're both skeptics of the experiment, but im still curious enough to want to get an extended look, either to see how much more adept he can become at the role, or if any shortcomings are offset by the defensive potential of the big lineup
Indeed. Sochan's development is going to have to be in body-positioning, since he probably wouldn't have the agility advantage over most defenders. He's probably not blowing past those guys but he can find angles, get leverage and seal them. If Sochan is going to be a PG rather than just start at the position, then he'll probably need to be able to generate more offense when Wemby is not on the court. So I don't see this as just him being a caretaker who brings the ball up, passes it off and then leaves the offense alone. That's "PG by committee", and it's not what Pop seems to have meant. I don't think it's too troubling that a 20-year-old is not doing it well immediately. But I'm hoping he follows that pathway if the team sticks with this lineup going forward.
I imagine him as working out of the high post as opposed to the traditional 1 way of doing things.
I do think he's going to suffer offensively in the new set-up, at least in terms of his own point production. But then his offensive skillset wasn't the biggest to begin with and he'll be taken away from the spots he's most comfortable. (Last year he seemed best driving on guys his size or in transition.)
I don't think that's a bad thing. One, he doesn't seem like he cares about ppg stats all that much. Two, there are enough scorers in the lineup. And his threats will come along. He's hardly a finished product or even close.
Jeremy will do a lot of posting up this year, he will abuse opposing players via the mismatch. I’d be shocked if he didn’t work this advantage.
In spurts. He’s not gonna chase Ja Morant around the whole game.
I would bet if he plays 32 minutes. 24-25 will be covering Ja, assuming he does no more gun videos and actually returns after his 25 games.
I'd be surprised by that(maybe for 18 minutes? How many minutes are you expecting Sochan to log? 30+?) but being that Sochan won't be an offensive focal point I supposed it would be fine. I'm just not sold that its the best path. He really doesn't have the speed to do that for heavy minutes.
hope the experiment doesn't suck to spectacularly
Tell me again what Sochan is so great at.
Shooting No, Rebounding No, Shot blocking No, Defense No, PG definitely not.
Tell me again what Wemby is so great at.
Shooting No, Rebounding No, Shot blocking No, Defense No, PG definitely not.
Sochan can learn PG coming off the bench leading the second unit. Tre needs to be the starter
scoring and defense
outside shooting and turnovers have been his blemishes
funny
do you even watch games?
he jumps on any opponent's shot and has poor positioning in defense
this is definitely not great defense
yeah i've been watching. he hasnt been flawless on defense. i've called out his jumping at every action as well.
but if you have also been watching the games, you'd still see that he's been a huge deterrent even when he doesnt wind up with a steal or block
We can achieve the same big lineup effect by moving cedi into the starting lineup and keldon to the bench ( six man ). Cedi is a pretty good ball handler with a high bbiq, while keldon is energy. Tre, bran, keldon, mamu, bassey.
i think jones/vassell/osman/wemby/collins gives the team the best chance to squeeze wins this year, with keldon/sochan being key bench contributors
but if pop is still using this season as a development/evaluation year, i think they're going to want to give keldon a longer leash with the starting 5 to see if he can find a productive role there. the ceiling is higher with keldon than osman, so they're going to want to exhaust that before capitulating and starting the journeyman who might not even be back with the club next year
that might also be why pop can continue being stubborn with sochan, but having a dysfunctional offense as a result of the sochan experiment frankly makes it difficult to evaluate anybody else in that unit
I think the biggest takeaway from all this is not that Jeremy is ruining everything, but for me it's that the team is not as good as everyone hoped it would be, and there's still a lot of work to be done, and the Vegas over under line maybe is a little more accurate than we want to believe, and also like I thought earlier, Pop is okay going slow here and totally okay getting back in the lottery.
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