If you still think we don’t need a PG

[Atl Spur]

Another thread to bookmark! Lol 1 game in? Boys give it at least 20 to 30 games before going all in, has history taught us nothing?

[KobesAchilles]

The relevant examples of the post modern NBA are Giannis and Jokic. Neither of them were fed the ball as a rookie, and Jokic didn’t even start, coming off the bench behind Nurkic.

Except for your relevant examples, neither Jokic or Giannis were as good as Wemby their rookie season. I'd argue it took 4 years for each to reach Wemby status now. The guy is way better than I think Spurstalk is giving him credit for. I believe Wemby is already an A player at his best. Him developing will take him to an A++ player, like greatest of all time level. But if you are asking me who do I want the ball in the hands of down the stretch, Wemby or KJ? Wemby or Sochan? Wemby or insert name here, then my answer is Wemby.

And his development, not KJ not Sochan not anybody else on the team, is more important than anybody else's. Bc if he isn't able to be given the opportunity to learn how to close out games, then we are screwed as a franchise.

tldr version. Wemby's development supersedes all others on our team

[Obstructed_View]

not if you watched the game…and it really doesnt have to be lillard- but lillard was available all off season and the spurs had the most and best assets- but the re ed “wemby” wont be ready for 3-4 years appears to have won the day

if you watched the game, giannis had more touches than anyone until the 4th qtr and he was in need of help and lillard re-entered the game and provided giannis all the help he needed

im ok with no lillard and the point is moot anyways- but it would behoove the spurs to at least be open when opportunities arise in the near future…imo anyway

I suspected some of the re s whining about Sochan were salty about the Spurs not trading for Dame.

[Spurs Homer]

I suspected some of the re s whining about Sochan were salty about the Spurs not trading for Dame.

I support the sochan pg move and the point was not lillard in a vacuum -
it was being open to making moves if they gave wemby immediate help -

as opposed to the re s who think 3-4 years waiting for wemby to grow bigger wings to fly is somehow a "wise" move

[jmard5]

Another thread to bookmark! Lol 1 game in? Boys give it at least 20 to 30 games before going all in, has history taught us nothing?

It appears so.

[ambchang]

We should trade draft capital for 33 year old point guards who relies on quickness because it can improve the team now? I don't get it. I really don't.

Thank God none of you (or anybody) here are GMs of actual NBA teams ... oh wait, Charlotte.

[KobesAchilles]

We should trade draft capital for 33 year old point guards who relies on quickness because it can improve the team now? I don't get it. I really don't.

Thank God none of you (or anybody) here are GMs of actual NBA teams ... oh wait, Charlotte.

we should start a person who has never played PG in his life to start as our PG in the nba. That’s the perfect recipe for success. Idgaf about Lillard. But starting Sochan as PG is stupid. It’s stupid game 1 and it will be stupid game 30 and will be stupid game 82. I will go on record saying this will not work out. I stand by my opinions. Unlike most posters.

Well Pop thinks…
We have to wait an entire season
He might pan out. I don’t have an opinion of my own. He could or couldn’t work
Magic (who played PG from when he was 5 years old) was a 6ft8 PG so that means anybody can do it. So having Sochan play PG isn’t unprecedented. I’m not saying he will be Magic but who knows

It’s amazing the scared chicken people on here. Stand by your own opinion. Yes or No. Sochan will work out as our future PG

[JeffDuncan]

…. Yes or No. Sochan will work out as our future PG

Of course not. Sochan is out there for defense. The Spurs are emphasizing defense over offense, for now.

Sochan is listed as 6’ 9”. Tre Jones is energetic and scrappy on defense, but he’s listed as 6’ 1”. By rights, Sochan is the better defensive choice.

The Spurs were historically bad on defense last season. That needs to change.

People need to let it soak in that the Spurs are not trying to develop Wemby as a one-way-only offensive player. Of course not. To develop Wemby on defense they have to put some kind of respectable defensive team around him, as best they can, given the current roster.

No, Sochan isn’t the Spurs point guard of the future. He’s a stopgap while they try to turn that putrid defense around.

[The Truth #6]

They want to surround Wemby with talent, obviously. But unless they suddenly start getting veterans around him they will have to develop talent around him. And players like Sochan and Devin will have to learn how to play around him. They can evolve together. That's how you build chemistry. For me, that's the process we're on and it makes sense if you want to win a championship. My only regret with the Sochan experiment is that they didn't start it last year.

Prioritizing Tre Jones is good for the short term more than the long term in my opinion. Now, if Wemby demands more Tre Jones than ok, but in the absence of that I'm totally on board with developing Sochan while we are in this first year.

[R. DeMurre]

I think Wembanyama represents groundbreaking potential as a defender. We've never seen someone with his length plus that kind of agility defensively. In the past, the way of attacking a 7+' player has almost always been to draw them out of the paint-- with Wemby, he might actually be more effective out there. And that's why I think it's important to take this advantage and amplify it with a SF who has length/versatility/shot blocking potential. Putting a SF next to him who isn't a defensive stopper helps mitigate the advantage rather than amplify it. Long term, I don't think plugging him in to fix last year's historically bad D is the plan. Last year's D needs a huge make over.

[ambchang]

we should start a person who has never played PG in his life to start as our PG in the nba. That’s the perfect recipe for success. Idgaf about Lillard. But starting Sochan as PG is stupid. It’s stupid game 1 and it will be stupid game 30 and will be stupid game 82. I will go on record saying this will not work out. I stand by my opinions. Unlike most posters.

Well Pop thinks…
We have to wait an entire season
He might pan out. I don’t have an opinion of my own. He could or couldn’t work
Magic (who played PG from when he was 5 years old) was a 6ft8 PG so that means anybody can do it. So having Sochan play PG isn’t unprecedented. I’m not saying he will be Magic but who knows

It’s amazing the scared chicken people on here. Stand by your own opinion. Yes or No. Sochan will work out as our future PG

The idea isn’t making sochan a PG. it’s Making him into Simmons.

[KobesAchilles]

The idea isn’t making sochan a PG. it’s Making him into Simmons.

A mentally weak person/player who can’t shoot? Or a diva who refuses to play?

[ambchang]

A mentally weak person/player who can’t shoot? Or a diva who refuses to play?

Skill wise. Before the meltdown.

[KobesAchilles]

They want to surround Wemby with talent, obviously. But unless they suddenly start getting veterans around him they will have to develop talent around him. And players like Sochan and Devin will have to learn how to play around him. They can evolve together. That's how you build chemistry. For me, that's the process we're on and it makes sense if you want to win a championship. My only regret with the Sochan experiment is that they didn't start it last year.

Prioritizing Tre Jones is good for the short term more than the long term in my opinion. Now, if Wemby demands more Tre Jones than ok, but in the absence of that I'm totally on board with developing Sochan while we are in this first year.

I’m on record saying we need vets on our team. We are too young. And youth never wins . Also playing Sochan as PG isn’t developing him at all. It’s like when we played Lonnie as PG in the GL, that didn’t develop him any. It made him more confused. You can’t develop a player by having him play a position he has never in his life played before, while telling home to learn how to run an offense, dribble, and shoot. It’s not possible and i don’t know how I’m the only one that thinks this is stupid. We didn’t do that to Kawhi. Here Kawhi be PG. bc it was stupid to do.

Anyways Sochan will fail to develop and Wemby won’t develop properly without vets and a person who can run an offense. You can disagree all you want but nba history says otherwise

[KingKev]

BUMP

[Vince Carter's ankle]

I’m on record saying we need vets on our team. We are too young. And youth never wins . Also playing Sochan as PG isn’t developing him at all. It’s like when we played Lonnie as PG in the GL, that didn’t develop him any. It made him more confused. You can’t develop a player by having him play a position he has never in his life played before, while telling home to learn how to run an offense, dribble, and shoot. It’s not possible and i don’t know how I’m the only one that thinks this is stupid. We didn’t do that to Kawhi. Here Kawhi be PG. bc it was stupid to do.

Anyways Sochan will fail to develop and Wemby won’t develop properly without vets and a person who can run an offense. You can disagree all you want but nba history says otherwise

please remind me which team you work for as a player development coach?

[exstatic]

I’m on record saying we need vets on our team. We are too young. And youth never wins . Also playing Sochan as PG isn’t developing him at all. It’s like when we played Lonnie as PG in the GL, that didn’t develop him any. It made him more confused. You can’t develop a player by having him play a position he has never in his life played before, while telling home to learn how to run an offense, dribble, and shoot. It’s not possible and i don’t know how I’m the only one that thinks this is stupid. We didn’t do that to Kawhi. Here Kawhi be PG. bc it was stupid to do.

Anyways Sochan will fail to develop and Wemby won’t develop properly without vets and a person who can run an offense. You can disagree all you want but nba history says otherwise

How’d Terry mings work out? Spoiler alert: the Spurs traded an All Star, All NBA, All D guard for mings, who lasted 3 whole seasons before blowing his knee out. The Spurs didn’t recover from that until some guy named Tim showed up 5 years later.

[KobesAchilles]

please remind me which team you work for as a player development coach?

Yeah ok I need that in order to have an opinion. In that case, why do you even post if you’re too scared to state your own opinion? Snide remarks do little if you’re hiding behind other peoples words. Go on record big boy. Tell me Sochan will be our starting PG of the next 5 years. but that would require you to actually have your own thought and then stand by it.

[KobesAchilles]

How’d Terry mings work out? Spoiler alert: the Spurs traded an All Star, All NBA, All D guard for mings, who lasted 3 whole seasons before blowing his knee out. The Spurs didn’t recover from that until some guy named Tim showed up 5 years later.

I don’t need a spoiler. We were one stupid pass away from from the WCF. Also technology has come around a long way where his injury is no big deal. I don’t see the correlation. We never recovered bc McCombs was too cheap to get talent. It had nothing to do with mings. Weird that you think that team that could’ve had MVP Barkley or Chuck Daly as coach instead of Lucas, couldn’t recover. Spoiler: it was cheap ass management, which is why we started Avery and Vinny at the backcourt.

Your own example could also be stated well we drafted Willy Anderson with the 10th pick and how did that work out. Spoiler he got hurt, so never draft a guard in the top 10 again. Also side note, Robertson was a piece of human being whose own actions/ ty behavior got him traded. I’d do that same trade all over again in a heartbeat

[Mr. Body]

Having a vet PG or another vet somewhere would help. The young players, who are essentially the team, don't know how to solve a number of situations. They're clearly lacking in the gritty, itemized bit of experience.

That stuff will come. The loss to Dallas gave some. The win vs. Houston gave some. It comes from doing. It comes especially from competing, not tanking. This is the first time we've been there for a while.

I don't advocate trading for anybody, though. Of course it'd be great to have Brogdan, Lowry, any of these aging points. Brogdan's in an odd spot. I don't think Portland is ready to compete and having him doesn't help. He'd help us. But in a way having that type of player won't help the young Spurs work through these trials and errors on their own.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Yeah ok I need that in order to have an opinion. In that case, why do you even post if you’re too scared to state your own opinion? Snide remarks do little if you’re hiding behind other peoples words. Go on record big boy. Tell me Sochan will be our starting PG of the next 5 years. but that would require you to actually have your own thought and then stand by it.

ok lil boy
why did you immediately start turning this around on me?
where did i say that he will be the starting point guard?
why do you try to think for others?

Also playing Sochan as PG isn’t developing him at all.

i have only a complaint about this completely unfounded statement
once again we can observe the dunning–kruger effect on this forum

[Mr. Body]

It seems to me you play your best option as a starter, especially if he's developing. Then, you want someone off the bench who can change the pace or how you do things.

Not sure what the big fuss is right now.

[The Truth #6]

I don't think anyone is suggesting we don't want improved point guard play. Just think it comes down to if you want immediate results for some reason or if you're able to accept the process we're in, which is that we're young team, and people need time to learn how to play together, especially for one year in year one before we start making trades.

[Mr. Body]

I don't think anyone is suggesting we don't want improved point guard play. Just think it comes down to if you want immediate results for some reason or if you're able to accept the process we're in, which is that we're young team, and people need time to learn how to play together, especially for one year in year one before we start making trades.

Too many people on this board don't want a process. They don't understand what's going on. They just want to freak out.

[z0sa]

Having an elite playmaker at PG would be nice, sure.

I don’t think it’s necessarily a precursor to a playoff appearance or anything. It’s hard watching the guys forget they have Wemby, but it’s also game 2 of the first season of many, basketball gods willing …