If you still think we don’t need a PG

[The Truth #6]

Also, there's a huge amount of middle ground here. I do think developing Jeremy is super important, and no, he doesn't look like a point guard right now, but I think pop sees in him someone who is extremely versatile and confident and willing to accept challenges, so why wouldn't you push that player to see what they're capable of? In his second season. I'm also totally okay with letting Tre Jones finish games if he's playing better.

[R. DeMurre]

Having an elite playmaker at PG would be nice, sure.

Exactly.... To be fair, adding an elite anything will be the goal in the next couple of years. Elite defender, elite playmaker, elite shooter, elite rebounder, etc... The spurs were pretty bad last year, and the simple development of their young guys around Wembanyama won't be enough. There will be lots of moves before we're challenging for championships.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't know that they need a PG as much as they need structure. Tre definitely runs things better, but they mostly seem lost as to what the system is supposed to be which isn't a personnel issue but a coaching issue. It's possible they're just figuring it out and we should give it some time but holy it is painful right now when tre is not in the game.

[JeffDuncan]

How helpful is it to Wemby having Sochan at point guard?

Any thoughts?

[The Truth #6]

Jeremy is not and never will be Parker. But some of the vibe in this thread reminds me of the Speedy Clayton debate where people were ready to move on from Parker way too soon. My point, young players need time. Jeremy may never amount to anything great but as a young player he needs opportunity for us to find out. I guess more than anything I'm shocked that some people are ready to trash him and move on.

[Mr. Body]

Jeremy is not and never will be Parker. But some of the vibe in this thread reminds me of the Speedy Clayton debate where people were ready to move on from Parker way too soon. My point, young players need time. Jeremy may never amount to anything great but as a young player he needs opportunity for us to find out. I guess more than anything I'm shocked that some people are ready to trash him and move on.

STalkers are some of the most emotionally unstable people I know. One game, Zach Collins is the best, next game he's worse than dog poop. For a franchise whose credo is pounding the rock - that it takes time to develop something great and that no steps should be missed, nor that panic moves should be done - we have a fanbase that freaks out about everything. They demand young players to instantly be ten-year vets, they believe what we see is what we'll always see. It's mind-numbing.

[BackHome]

I am laughing at People thinking just because we got the number 1 pick we are immediately going to be in the thick of playoff championship basketball....

[paperboy77]

Someone who doesn’t pay attention. This year is literally not about winning. It’s a laboratory to see what works and what does not, over the course of a year, not one game.

Although you aren't the only one saying this... this is a ridiculous comment.

[Mr. Body]

It's probably more accurate to say the team IS about winning this year, as much as possible, but not at the expense of development. The coaches will find times to put lineups together to see how they react. They're NOT likely to just throw guys at the end of the bench into games that can be won. We're not going to see Wesley and Sandro thrown into a close game down the stretch.

But this means they're just going to spam a set-up that works because it works. They know it won't always work, plus they're gaining information about the future - players we have, players we need. We WILL see what players do in new cir stances.

In the end we'll have a team and players who are much accustomed to each other and improved in March than they are now.

None of this is new. Even when we were challenging Pop found ways to get lineups together to see how they'd work.

[rascal]

It's probably more accurate to say the team IS about winning this year, as much as possible, but not at the expense of development. The coaches will find times to put lineups together to see how they react. They're NOT likely to just throw guys at the end of the bench into games that can be won. We're not going to see Wesley and Sandro thrown into a close game down the stretch.

But this means they're just going to spam a set-up that works because it works. They know it won't always work, plus they're gaining information about the future - players we have, players we need. We WILL see what players do in new cir stances.

In the end we'll have a team and players who are much accustomed to each other and improved in March than they are now.

None of this is new. Even when we were challenging Pop found ways to get lineups together to see how they'd work.

No it isn't about winning this year. They would have brought in some veterans if it's about winning and play Wemby until the wheels fall off.

It's about player and team development for the future at the cost of winning at times. Spurs even said they were going to be patient with the process and manage Wemby's minutes.

[JeffDuncan]

No it isn't about winning this year. They would have brought in some veterans if it's about winning and play Wemby until the wheels fall off. ...

What veterans did the Spurs realistically have a chance to get? Can you offer any names?

[scott]

I don’t need a spoiler. We were one stupid pass away from from the WCF. Also technology has come around a long way where his injury is no big deal. I don’t see the correlation. We never recovered bc McCombs was too cheap to get talent. It had nothing to do with mings. Weird that you think that team that could’ve had MVP Barkley or Chuck Daly as coach instead of Lucas, couldn’t recover. Spoiler: it was cheap ass management, which is why we started Avery and Vinny at the backcourt.

Your own example could also be stated well we drafted Willy Anderson with the 10th pick and how did that work out. Spoiler he got hurt, so never draft a guard in the top 10 again. Also side note, Robertson was a piece of human being whose own actions/ ty behavior got him traded. I’d do that same trade all over again in a heartbeat

wait, is there an argument that trading for TC was a bad move because we lacked the foresight to see hi blowing out his knee?

Getting TC was a great ing move and was a big part of getting DRob’s career off to a great start and establishing ourselves as a playoff team for the next 30 years. How can I make more of that deal? Sign me up.

[scott]

I don't think anyone is suggesting we don't want improved point guard play. Just think it comes down to if you want immediate results for some reason or if you're able to accept the process we're in, which is that we're young team, and people need time to learn how to play together, especially for one year in year one before we start making trades.

imo, the big question is around whether you want the PG play that best develops Wemby right now - or you want to maybe sacrifice a little Wemby development in order to develop Wemby and Sochan at the same time.

And I’m okay with the latter if we do what we did last night: have Tre in the game in the crucial moments that allow Wemby to best do his thing… because that is the what is more important for the future of this franchise.

[scott]

The Spurs are going to be compe ive in most games this year, and trying to win those games IS important to development, so to that extent, this season is about winning… it’s just not about pushing all the chips in to go all in (to win a championship).

A vet would help, but it’s good to roll with the punches now and see how things develop. The trade deadline will be our first window to possibly make a move IF there are signs that Wemby is that so far ahead in his development that we can accelerate the schedule AND the right opportunity is made available. Certainly we don’t need a vet so bad that we go out and expend capital to bring in a Josh Richardson (not picking on Josh, he is a great role player - but my point is that we should be getting paid to take on guys like that, not giving up good assets for them at this point)

[rascal]

What veterans did the Spurs realistically have a chance to get? Can you offer any names?

It's not my job to bring in veterans.

It's the spurs front office to get it done and they didn't make it happen because they aren't all in to win this year. It wasn't a priority to bring in a veteran to win this year, that's why it didn't happen.

What they should have done was get Duren in that trade the year before. It only cost Detroit two lottery protected picks. They wouldn't be stuck having to start Collins.

[PrimeMinister]

we just played a team in a rebuilding situation that spent 200 million dollars in free agency this summer and beat them in OT

if the right player was available they would have signed him

[rascal]

we just played a team in a rebuilding situation that spent 200 million dollars in free agency this summer and beat them in OT

if the right player was available they would have signed him

Doubt it. They had no interest in throwing big money for any veteran difference maker and no interest in trading their draft pick assets for one.
That's not how this front office operates, getting star players who are difference makers off other teams in free agency or trades.

[PrimeMinister]

Doubt it. They had no interest in throwing big money for any veteran difference maker and no interest in trading their draft pick assets for one.
That's not how this front office operates, getting star players who are difference makers off other teams in free agency or trades.

the logical fits in terms of age, position, and skillset did not exist on the FA market this summer.

ditto for the trade market. if the right deal for the right player could have materialized they would have done it. im not sure why you would assume the opposite.

[dbestpro]

So far, scoring points has not been the problem. It has been the horrid defense from wing players.

[onechance87]

So far, scoring points has not been the problem. It has been the horrid defense from wing players.

vassell,keldon,sochan,Were all suppose to excel in that category....Seen sum glimps,But not thru out the game

[objective]

Derrick White would be perfect on this team.

[Kevin]

Now that second rounders fetch actual NBA talent it will be interesting to see what McDermott (expiring) plus second rounders could get. The most obvious need would be a vet PG.

McDermott and Graham for DeRozen matches salary wise and with DMR being a rental the pick cost shouldn't be insane. Just thinking out loud.

[bluebellmaniac]

Bring y’all’s dumbass’ to the thread and make the ing case that we don’t need a PG for Wemby. I want to hear this . Bc all offseason, I’ve been preaching we need a PG. we need a guy who can set up easy buckets for Wemby. A guy who can manipulate defenses and consistently break them down. A guy who can throw a post entry pass or a lob. A guy who recognizes when their tallest player is being guarded by midgets and can get them the ball.

And in return I’ve heard.
”Oh PG isn’t a need. We have plenty of people who can run the offense.”
”Sochan can run the offense just fine.”
”We will do it by a committee of non PGs”
”It’s positionless basketball that we are playing. We will be fine.”
”oh it’s Tall Ball.”


NOOOO. Get a freaking point guard. Set up your boy, make him feel a part of the offense and not a spot up 3 point shooter. And maybe he won’t be playing like a deer in the headlights because he will be relaxed and playing in rhythm. So Mr. body get your dumbass in here. RC you too. Dejounte, tell me all about Tall Ball. All you truthsayers better get in here and preach about how we don’t need a PG for Wemby

Chill out dude. We've got like 30 picks in the next few years. Chillax, a PG is on the way.

[KobesAchilles]

ok lil boy
why did you immediately start turning this around on me?
where did i say that he will be the starting point guard?
why do you try to think for others?


i have only a complaint about this completely unfounded statement
once again we can observe the dunning–kruger effect on this forum

Imo It isn’t unfounded. In my scenario, Sochan doesn’t work out as PG. that means we have to play him at a new position next year. So then he has to spend an entire year learning a new role and a new way to play alongside Wemby. And it’s another year of development that we have to spend on Sochan that I don’t think he needs. I believe we are going backwards on the development. Like get him to a point where he could possibly be a PG over a few years in development instead of just making him one. He has too many things he needs to work on if he wants to be a PG. dribbling, attacking defenders, setting up others, shooting, and even defense. It’s too much to give to one person with zero experience at it

And you’ve never given your opinion one way or the other. That was my point. You just go after others opinions with none of your own

[KobesAchilles]

Chill out dude. We've got like 30 picks in the next few years. Chillax, a PG is on the way.

I think Wemby has 10 years of health like DRob. So I’m not willing to really chill on wasting a tenth of his career. Bc next year it’s chill out we gotta get so and so acclimated. And I’m year 3, chill out we were the 8th seed this year and had some playoff experience. And in year 4, chill out we made the playoffs again. And then 40% of his career is gone.

I think some urgency is needed.