I'm not going to defend Pop's coaching too much, because I've had problems with how loose it's become for years now. But it's hard to "run things for Wemby" if Wemby doesn't feel like he can be pigeon-holed into a guy who "has things run for him". In order for actions to open things up for Victor, he has to do his part in those actions. That means he can't be running around calling for the ball all the time. That means when he gets the ball in an unideal situation, he should look to pass it out to get some action going rather than trying to go one-on-one. I get some fans really like the idea of throwing him the ball all the time and making everything go through him. But he's not that guy right now. He's not an NBA-level scorer, especially not to an elite extent. I'd much rather them limit him to playing to his strengths so those can get established, then use those established strengths to both open opportunities for him to show other things and for his teammates to get good shots. Right now, Victor getting the ball anywhere other than right at the rim really isn't scary for opposing defenses, and with three-second calls combined with Wemby's inability to hold a seal, he can't consistently get to the paint enough to worry defenses.
Some of y'all need to simmer down with this nonsense. It's been 3 games and you're talking about Victor demanding out because of Pops ego?Pop won't even be Victors coach for the majority of his career and by the time of his second contract it will probably be his successor. This is much ado about nothing
glad it is gameday... this analysis paralysis goes on all off-season and is tiring and pointless...
Hearing everything you said.
However, what i've seen too often so far is not Wama wanting to be a ballhog, rather the offense strategy being so LAME and majority of the time other Spurs not getting him the ball -even with something so simple like an entry pass or lob- that when Wama does get a touch he's saying to himself "F it, i better take a shot even if it's not the best shot because these clowns and coach Strategy Bird Brain are not gonna get me the ball again."
Not healthy. Not what any of us want to see.
But i see problem as major loser strategy vs Wama being a Kobme ball hog.
Wemby very happy to pass in right cim stances IMO. And an excellent passer.
You’re taking it for granted that a team which went 22-60 has players who are good passers. By NBA standards these Spurs are lousy passers. Their timing is bad, their accuracy is bad, and basically, in general, they suck. Wemby needs teammates who have the fundamental basketball skill to pass the ball to him as required.
Specific examples are all over the place for anybody who cares to look. I looked at a few examples to mention here, but screw that, it’s depressing.
And then Pop gets the bright idea to play a guy at point guard who doesn’t have the slightest semblance of a point guard’s passing ability. Yeah, that’ll help. Har har.
People think it’s about wanting to pass to Wemby. Rather, it’s much more about having the skill to make the pass.
Wemby is always the focus of an opponent’s defense. Of course. That means that passing the ball to him requires good timing and high accuracy. But if this roster had hot shot passers they wouldn’t have gone 22-60.
Wemby knows he’s on a bad team. Duh. That’s how the Spurs got him, by being bad. He is trusting the Spurs to make the necessary improvements. So are we all. One has to hope that the trust is not misplaced.
I have a lot of questions around how Wemby would be the number 1 offensive option. He’s definitely a cornerstone player but it’s not out of the question that we’d benefit from a true volume scorer and let Vassell and Wemby work themselves around that.
To the contrary:Some of y'all need to simmer down with this nonsense. It's been 3 games and you're talking about Victor demanding out because of Pops ego?
Yes. Yes we have.
Absolutely.
We don't want someone chucking Wama the ball then all 4 others standing around. 4 Dumb is not the answer.
Beautiful Game was / is.
You have it in your head that Wemby is the most important player on the team. I get that and don't disagree. The issue is that guys like Johnson and Vassell have been told that they were the most important players on the team too. They had guys traded to give them room to grow. They aren't going to look at Vic in dubious position and themselves in dubious position and think to pass him the ball. They're going to fall back on their conditioning to "take charge" and try to make something happen. I don't think there are huge issues with throwing the entry pass. I've noticed more that there are issues creating a good passing lane and securing the catch. A posting player is supposed to get in position, seal his man and present a clear target. The single-most important aspect to post-entries is spacing. You need a clear lane to throw the pass, and the Spurs are struggling to get that for reasons I've talked about before:
The Spurs don't have anything like this right now. It's not easy to find videos of the failed post-up attempts, but in my memory, Wemby is usually calling for the ball when there are guys in the passing lane, maybe under the assumption that the Spurs should be throwing really high passes, so he could technically be considered open. But what's the likely result of that play? Wemby bringing the ball down in traffic and getting it knocked away? Him getting bumped off position and the ball going into the stands? Him getting the ball and dribbling into trouble? Or him getting the ball and getting off a contested jumper? Why are those better outcomes than just having someone else shoot the ball?
I agree the Spurs offense is basically the prisoners dilemma where trust can break down if players call their own number too often. Wemby would likely take better-quality shots if he got more touches. The issue is that he's also responsible for his touches and if he's using times when he's not open but still thinks he is to justify taking bad shots when he does have the ball, then that's not the other players' faults. It's the system's fault for not getting guys enough quality looks and maybe to some extent the fault of everyone (including Wemby) to execute the system so that those looks can actually be created.
Rack it.
Slight disagreement in being that these guys could learn how to pass if it was emphasized by coach and staff, film sessions, on court practice etec. It hasn't been. We'll see moving forward.
There isn't any adjustments or coaching that will change anything as long as Wemby will be the main focus of his opponents more than from his own teamates.
No veteran to teach him NBA life and triks, no all star to draw attention off of him, no play maker capable of passing the ball... SURREAL
It's on Pop and the FO's egos
Forms has really nothing to do with what I said thoughTo the contrary:
Yes. Yes we have.
Jesus Christ
U are honestly watching our offense and saying they're making an attempt to structure an offense around him and he is going rogue? They're playing pick up ball! They clearly don't have any schemes where he is the focus... Even seasoned NBA analysts have seen it and talked about it
Tre Jones is by every measure one of the best passes in the league... Dude stays in the top 10 of assist/turnover ratio, and the offense looks significantly smoother when he is playing... Combine that with the fact that Wemby has a significantly higher plus mines playing with Tre
The warriors play the beautiful game, but the offense is centered around curry... I swear ppl on this board doelnt understand simple basketball concepts
So why does Tre Jones not have any issues ever passing Wemby the ball?
You don't have to have a Curry level chucker to play the Beautiful Game.
A YMCA team could play the bg, just not with the level of success.
+ Golden State is heavily reliant on illegal screens not being called. Do NOT confuse them with the 2014 Spurs, who would wipe their asses 4-1 with fair refs.
Agreed. Tre stands out. I didn’t mean to imply that every single Spurs player is a hopeless passer.
Neither anything you wrote, nor anything in that video, is relevant to the Spurs’ inability to get the ball to Wemby when he’s 1-on-1 versus Dillon stinkin’ Brooks.
Because he's smarter about when he throws the pass? It's not like is throwing all these entry passes to Wemby. The stuff people talking about in transition's a whole different story.
There's a difference between saying the Spurs aren't running good schemes to get him the ball and that the other four guys should have it in their heads to pass him the ball. No, the Spurs aren't running good schemes to get anyone good looks. I've been talking about this forever now. But in what the Spurs are running, the guys aren't getting the ball to him for a number of reasons, and a lot of those aren't about the personality flaws and lack of skill in the other guys on the court. And yes, some of it is the desire to break off plays to get "good" shots. Sean talks about it all the time, that plays are supposed to get guys open and if you see a guy open you should break off the play and give him the ball. That's not bad advice, but it comes with unstated assumptions that may need to be stated sometimes. The "open guy" needs to be in scoring position, and the pass needs to be high percentage enough to forgo a better pass that should come up further into the play. Like if the guys are setting up a PnR and Wemby is at the three-point line calling for the ball, why is passing to him the right move there? It can be, depending on where his man is and the general context of the game. But also a Wemby three isn't really the best offense the team can get right now.
Like we all can talk about times like when Vassell missed a wide-open Wemby on the break during the play that eventually ended with Wemby dunking on Sochan. That's obvious, which also means it's straight-forward to correct. What folks can often ignore are entry passes that result in turnovers because the pass was ill-advised or there wasn't a good target to throw the pass. That ignores how many entry passes wind up like 20 feet away from the basket, which is one of the worst spots on the court for contested jumpers. So yes, you need an offense to get Wemby the ball quickly and in good position, but making that offense work requires commitment by the whole roster, including Wemby. He has to learn how to time is seals and when to call for passes just as much as the other guys have to learn how to space for the entry pass and when in the rhythm of the offense their passing windows come up. I personally would rather their offense run like that for a while even at the expense of times when the defense breaks down prematurely. I think they need to retrain/train their habits to fit in a more organized system before they start free-lancing again. I don't know if Pop is going to try to pull the reins any, whether we're talking about this year or in general.
And how will Wemby learn that if you don't put him in a position to? You have to actually run schemes and not freelance... And put players around him that can actually pass... Because there are numerous times he DOES do a good job cutting, only to get looked off... Or he runs down the court with a midget in him and no one passes (except Tre)
This is chronic. 3 game sample size or not.
Sean was all over this on the telecast. Wama only needs a lob in his general vicinity when he has a midgit on him. And Wama can run the floor. For a 7 4 dude he runs the floor exceptionally well.
Even on a made shot, a trey by McForbesburger that was an absolute lookoff of Wama who had broke ahead and was alone nearing the rim.
McForbes made the shot. IDGAF it was the wrong shot selection.
I still see the defense as a bigger issue than the offense.
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