Grades: Spurs @ Suns - Oct. 31, 2023

[Cry Havoc]

I appreciate Timvp's grades as much as anyone but he's not the alpha and omega of games reviews (which he doesnt pretend ofc)... He's often much too generous for my taste, there's plenty of times you might disagree and I do for Sochan on this game (I wouldn't give Wemby an A too with 5 Tos and his poor first half).

That's only when Tre got the helm that spurs started to get things going on. And it's not hating on Sochan to say he's a failure at PG, that's just not his spot. He still totally ignored Wemby and did a bad job at initiating the offense or creating anything...

Litterally everyone on X, Youtube, Reddit... basically the Internet, is saying the same things, spurs fans or not: "Why is Sochan ignoring Wemby?", Why aren't they feeding Wemby on the post more!" or "Is there someting wrong with Sochan, he looks unhappy?"... it's not just a ST thing, Sochan looked like he's emotionally not here at the end and after last night game, which could be a message to Pop that he's not happy playing PG.

Argumentum ad populum isn't super convincing as a retort, sorry.

[onechance87]

[QUOTE=JPB;10978331]I appreciate Timvp's grades as much as anyone but he's not the alpha and omega of games reviews (which he doesnt pretend ofc)... He's often much too generous for my taste, there's plenty of times you might disagree and I do for Sochan on this game (I wouldn't give Wemby an A too with 5 Tos and his poor first half).

That's only when Tre got the helm that spurs started to get things going on. And it's not hating on Sochan to say he's a failure at PG, that's just not his spot. He still totally ignored Wemby and did a bad job at initiating the offense or creating anything...

Litterally everyone on X, Youtube, Reddit... basically the Internet, is saying the same things, spurs fans or not: "Why is Sochan ignoring Wemby?", Why aren't they feeding Wemby on the post more!" or

[Sugus]

Wemby is not abke to compete for more then 10 minutes. His rebounding is poor. Picked just 3 compe ive rebs... At his height...
People getting excited he can dunk the ball but as if right now he us not that good.

Positives though are he was able to follow his teammates and put the spurs in position to win.
Crucial screen with Vassell was weak. Turnover machine..

Spurs clicked in the 2nd and tbh with so many mistakes to fix we are in a good spot imo.

I don't think I've ever seen a more random hate boner for a player - your own franchise's generational talent at that - before. Is this salt really all because Wemby doesn't follow your ideal training regime and isn't interested in muscling up?? Or is there anything else I missed? Let it go my guy, not everyone wants to be a meathead in their life lmao

It's not even on this particular game, you've been ting on him incoherently since he was setting the league on fire in preseason. He didn't your girl or anything like that, did he?

[Cry Havoc]

Wemby is not abke to compete for more then 10 minutes. His rebounding is poor. Picked just 3 compe ive rebs... At his height...
People getting excited he can dunk the ball but as if right now he us not that good.

Positives though are he was able to follow his teammates and put the spurs in position to win.
Crucial screen with Vassell was weak. Turnover machine..

Spurs clicked in the 2nd and tbh with so many mistakes to fix we are in a good spot imo.

yeah 19 year olds who are going to average 20 and 7 with 3 blocks per game are just falling out of the trees in the NBA right now.

[polandprzem]

I don't think I've ever seen a more random hate boner for a player - your own franchise's generational talent at that - before. Is this salt really all because Wemby doesn't follow your ideal training regime and isn't interested in muscling up?? Or is there anything else I missed? Let it go my guy, not everyone wants to be a meathead in their life lmao

It's not even on this particular game, you've been ting on him incoherently since he was setting the league on fire in preseason. He didn't your girl or anything like that, did he?

Dude muscling up ��

Sure you do not get what is hate and what is criticism of how someone is playing

[polandprzem]

Btw generational talent should play like one.

Not yet tbh

[polandprzem]

Akso I was taking about strengh mire then muscles. And it is a must and he will do it.

But not your article experts gonna tell me that ��

[Sugus]

Dude muscling up ��

Sure you do not get what is hate and what is criticism of how someone is playing

Yeah, as we all knew he would, being a scrawny-as- 19 year old coming into a professional league. Were you expecting him to get smaller?

You know it was never about that; Wemby and co. were adamant on natural muscle-building through years and not focusing on weight lifting, and you had your panties in a bunch over it, yapping on about how he had to get muscled up or he'd break in half his first game or so. Now that he's clearly not broken and also dominant in stretches, you retort to useless hating, which I'm surprised about since he didn't your girl (or did he? )

And of course I can tell the difference, and that's why I'm calling you out; you're ing up about the stupidest of things. "People getting excited he can dunk the ball but he's not that good" are you ing dense? Is that really all you see with Wemby on the court? All you've seen in these games? You might just be as hopeless as your bodybuilding knowledge...

[Sugus]

Btw generational talent should play like one.

Not yet tbh

https://youtu.be/jMNVtvt5tLE?si=IbD_L1zi3bXHrXmY

Yeah, lotta players racking up 5 blocks against the GOAT shooting backcourt in their second preseason games, my bad! where are all these true generational talents that you're thinking of???

[ChumpDumper]

For Championship roster moving forward......is anyone seeing anyone other than:

Wama
Vassell -if he cleans up his Enrique Parker Kobme shot selection.

Your posts are more entertaining when imagining Mushmouth from Fat Albert speaking them.

[Sugus]

Sochan haters when they see this grade:

Always a treat to see fans of a team actively root against players on the team they cheer for.

Main concern for the offense is ball movement and turnovers at the moment right now. The rock tends to freeze too much (normal for young teams).

On defense when Wemby sits we're pretty rough, I hope Pop finds a combo that works on D when we don't have VW on the floor.

If we're going to continue capping Wemby's minutes, which is toeing right up to the point of tanking, I hope he can at least get his legs under him a bit better. Dude burns energy out there like he's Manu.

Overall what a huge win for the team, it might be forgotten in a few weeks but these guys are out there hustling every game and that's all you can ask of a young squad.

Man, I don't remember seeing you here before, but please stick around. Coherent individual thought is sorely needed in this board.

I don't doubt Wemby's conditioning will improve and that's not my concern, but I want to point out that the more I see them, the more I'm convinced Pop really is tanking out the year. He's being smart about it dressing it up as development and a "young team", but there's significant signs at this early point. Random lineups, playing players out of natural position, ignoring the need for a PG through the off-season and now into the season actively hiding the PG from Wemby (I'd love to see the splits in Jones' minutes played with and without Wemby)...

It's way too early to know for sure, but I'm expecting Pop to keep up the Sochan PG experiment until maybe the ASB, or past it even. Rack up some healthy losses, then start sitting guys out like last year. He's been very straightforward regarding his plans for the team, and I think none of us really knew how literal he meant it before the season started. He really doesn't care about punting Wemby's rookie season.

Whether that's good long term is certainly up for debate, but I'm liking the strategy. Wemby is clearly a mature enough player to understand you don't just win 50 games your rookie year like Timmy did.

[polandprzem]

Yeah, as we all knew he would, being a scrawny-as- 19 year old coming into a professional league. Were you expecting him to get smaller?

You know it was never about that; Wemby and co. were adamant on natural muscle-building through years and not focusing on weight lifting, and you had your panties in a bunch over it, yapping on about how he had to get muscled up or he'd break in half his first game or so. Now that he's clearly not broken and also dominant in stretches, you retort to useless hating, which I'm surprised about since he didn't your girl (or did he? )

And of course I can tell the difference, and that's why I'm calling you out; you're ing up about the stupidest of things. "People getting excited he can dunk the ball but he's not that good" are you ing dense? Is that really all you see with Wemby on the court? All you've seen in these games? You might just be as hopeless as your bodybuilding knowledge...

Do.not make things up

[polandprzem]

https://youtu.be/jMNVtvt5tLE?si=IbD_L1zi3bXHrXmY

Yeah, lotta players racking up 5 blocks against the GOAT shooting backcourt in their second preseason games, my bad! where are all these true generational talents that you're thinking of???

Am I thinking about them? Lol

[Sugus]

Do.not make things up

I don't need to, thankfully your takes are as ty as advertised. Do you care to dig up your takes on this and rebutt it? I don't at all. I know you're wrong, and salty, already

Am I thinking about them? Lol

Yeah you're right, gave you too much credit there with the "thinking" part, my bad. Meatheads don't do that often after all...

[polandprzem]

I don't need to, thankfully your takes are as ty as advertised. Do you care to dig up your takes on this and rebutt it? I don't at all. I know you're wrong, and salty, already



Yeah you're right, gave you too much credit there with the "thinking" part, my bad. Meatheads don't do that often after all...

U drunk or what?

[RC_Drunkford]

couple observations:

-Wemby can't set screens which seems why pick & pops don't work unless the Spurs run the ballhandler through a double screen
-Wemby can't hold his position inside against small players and gets pushed out almost every time

these 2 things (aside from Pop not running plays) are the reason why he's not getting that much action. You can also see Wemby throw entry passes to Zach Collins on the low block, when that's where he should get the ball

I like that in crunch time we tried to go with a Wemby/Vassell high screen and roll, but Wemby messed those plays up by basically not setting a screen at all, which is why Vassell had to take bad shots

It also doesn't make sense that when Vassell has the ball, he passes it to Tre Jones, only for Tre to jack up a 3.

The zone defense in the 4th looked really good and we did a good job playing the passing lanes and being aggressive

Keldon playing with the bench as the main scorer worked very well in this game

We are clearly a lot better when Wemby plays Center instead of free safety on defense

I really hope these guys can play a full game with the focus they showed in the 4th. There was some nice ball and body movement when Wemby passed the ball from the 3-point line to Osman for a lay up for example. They are clearly underperforming right now

[The Truth #6]

Remember when "we" were worried that Keldon was unhappy in preseason and hated Devin for getting a bigger contract? Shockingly, that was a horrible interpretation. But Sochan hating Wemby? No, this one's different! Their high fives lacked passion and vigor!

[The Truth #6]

Underappreciated play of the game: Tre subtly raking Durant's eyes which distracted him while Keldon stole the ball (game). I hate CP3 but reminded me of the sneaky that he does that wins games.

[spurraider21]

NBA released the last 2 minutes officiating report

no missed calls in the spurs/suns game. they said it was a correct no-call on the steal off of durant

[BatManu20]

Next game is in phoenix vs the sons again.

Expecting a blow out this time tbh

Hopefully tbh. Or at least a compe ive loss. Best thing for this team this season is compe ive losses. Grow together and gel without winning a lot of games. Spurs badly need another top-10 pick next year, hopefully even a top-5 one (unlikely). We desperately need more high-end talent on this roster, preferably at the PG position. And there's a couple of those that are currently projected to go in the top 6 or 7 of next year's draft (subject to change obviously).

It's early, but if the first 4 games are any indicator, it looks like we won't be getting Toronto's top-6 protected draft pick next year either via the Poeltl trade. They're currently 1-4 and play in Milwaukee tonight. They'll likely tank late in the season too just to ensure they keep it tbh, making our draft pick that much more important.

[BatManu20]

NBA released the last 2 minutes officiating report

no missed calls in the spurs/suns game. they said it was a correct no-call on the steal off of durant

Tbh it was a foul, albeit a weak one, as KD was bleeding (slightly) from the cut on his face via Tre Jones' swipe at the ball, but it would've been a weak call in a critical moment. PHX shouldn't have blown a 20-point lead at home to a young team, so Vogel's comments about the officiating after the game were lame imo. They have no one to blame but themselves for that loss.

[Arcadian]

-Wemby can't set screens

Of course he can. Setting screens is one of the most basic actions in basketball. You can teach a 5-year-old to set a screen. It might be a bit more difficult to land a screen effectively when you're as skinny as a twig, but it's not like we're talking about some innate ability here. Screening is something that is obviously teachable/learnable, and quickly at that.

[Seventyniner]

Hopefully tbh. Or at least a compe ive loss. Best thing for this team this season is compe ive losses. Grow together and gel without winning a lot of games. Spurs badly need another top-10 pick next year, hopefully even a top-5 one (unlikely). We desperately need more high-end talent on this roster, preferably at the PG position. And there's a couple of those that are currently projected to go in the top 6 or 7 of next year's draft (subject to change obviously).

It's early, but if the first 4 games are any indicator, it looks like we won't be getting Toronto's top-6 protected draft pick next year either via the Poeltl trade. They're currently 1-4 and play in Milwaukee tonight. They'll likely tank late in the season too just to ensure they keep it tbh, making our draft pick that much more important.

I wonder if this will finally be the year Ujiri admits defeat and tears down the roster. The prospect of having to send out a pick as high as #7 could be the final straw.

[spurraider21]

Of course he can. Setting screens is one of the most basic actions in basketball. You can teach a 5-year-old to set a screen. It might be a bit more difficult to land a screen effectively when you're as skinny as a twig, but it's not like we're talking about some innate ability here. Screening is something that is obviously teachable/learnable, and quickly at that.

watch his screen attempts

not only does he slip them all, he also slips them prematurely, before the screen even affects the defender

[The Truth #6]

NBA released the last 2 minutes officiating report

no missed calls in the spurs/suns game. they said it was a correct no-call on the steal off of durant

Tre raking his eyes like Ric Flair and not getting called for a foul is a winning play. I have no problem with it.