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    Holmgren could win ROY. He should have gone number 1 last year. He doesn't have to do nearly as much as Wembanyama and has a terrific, established team around him already.

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    OKC already has the infrastructure in place with an established all-nba lead guy in SGA, and Dort/Giddey with established roles in the starting unit.

    chet comes in with a very defined role and one that he will exceed at. everything he does on offense is purely feeding off the team. they never just dump the ball to him and expect him to go to work.

    chet is a legit threat in the DPOY race because of that
    Having an actual all-star in the team should go against Chet's chances of winning RoY, since, in theory, should get less touches than Wemby. The difference comes from the Thunder actually playing Chet like they need to play him, while Pop is trying to see if Wemby can become a 7'5" Allen Iverson. It might prove to be more benefitial on the long run but, for this season, it is detrimental for Wemby's RoY aspirations.

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    Not sure how the Hornets beat Atlanta, who have been pretty good so far. Hornets might be the worst team so far.

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    Having an actual all-star in the team should go against Chet's chances of winning RoY, since, in theory, should get less touches than Wemby. The difference comes from the Thunder actually playing Chet like they need to play him, while Pop is trying to see if Wemby can become a 7'5" Allen Iverson. It might prove to be more benefitial on the long run but, for this season, it is detrimental for Wemby's RoY aspirations.
    no, it works in his favor since he's getting high quality touches where he's literally being asked to convert dunks or wide open three pointers (and he's actually a high% 3 point shooter unlike wemby). and he will get a lot of those opportunities with SGA being as good as he is

    if he gets 10 touches, they are probably 10 very good looks. a lot of wemby's touches are asking him to create something out of nothing

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    hornets playing like they want to keep that draft pick

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    Toronto has been pounding Milwaukee but still time. Raptors showing resilience coming out strong.

    Houston recognizes they need a win vs. visiting Charlotte. Rockets are winless and Hornets would slide to 1-3. Houston's upcoming November schedule looks horrendous.

    As a note, Ausar looks much more impactful so far than Amen.
    Iirc the Spurs were intrigued by Ausar as a consolation. I kinda wish they had consolidated and moved up to get him but it likely would have been an overpay and not worth it, so a nonstarter.

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    PJ Washington and Mark Williams leading the charge to bring the hornets back within striking distance

    Williams is really good

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    Killian Hayes had some decent looking preseason stat lines but has resumed being one of the worst offensive players in the league

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    no, it works in his favor since he's getting high quality touches where he's literally being asked to convert dunks or wide open three pointers (and he's actually a high% 3 point shooter unlike wemby). and he will get a lot of those opportunities with SGA being as good as he is

    if he gets 10 touches, they are probably 10 very good looks. a lot of wemby's touches are asking him to create something out of nothing
    How many RoYs do you remember that played with an all-star? RoY usually goes to rookies that get a lot of looks. Quan y is usually rewarded over efficiency.

    I'm seeing OKC's game, SGA hasn't set up Holmgren once. Chet's efficiency comes from playing the role he needs to play, unlike Wemby who is standing around in the perimeter 90% of the time.
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    How many RoYs do you remember that played with an all-star? RoY usually goes to rookies that get a lot of looks. Quan y is usually rewarded over efficiency.

    I'm seeing OKC's game, SGA hasn't set up Holmgren once. Chet's efficiency comes from playing the role he needs to play, unlike Wemby who is standing around in the perimeter 90% of the time.
    just recently i can think of Scottie Barnes

    ROY winners typically are high picks who go to bad teams and have a chance to show out. OKC wasnt that bad last year, and chet is a #2 overall pick, so its not a typical cir stance that he finds himself as kind of a missing piece on what was already an ascending team

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    I'm seeing OKC's game, SGA hasn't set up Holmgren once.

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    Chet's efficiency comes from playing the role he needs to play, unlike Wemby who is standing around in the perimeter 90% of the time.
    he does some of that too, though most of his looks are from being fed a good look


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    looking at bball reference for his first 4 games of the season, and 90% of Chet's 2 pointers have been assisted, and 100% of his 3 pointers have been

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    looking at bball reference for his first 4 games of the season, and 90% of Chet's 2 pointers have been assisted, and 100% of his 3 pointers have been
    Chet's offensive game comes almost exclusively from spot ups and pick and rolls. That's why he so efficient. I don't see why Wemby can't get more looks like that, specially the pick and rolls. Sure, having an all-star PG might help a little, but you don't need all-stars to play an efficient pick and roll. Heck, the Spurs already do it, the problem is that Wemby is rarely the screen setter. Those looks are usually reserved for Collins and Bassey. You have a 7'5" guy, use him rolling to the basket.

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    Chet's offensive game comes almost exclusively from spot ups and pick and rolls. That's why he so efficient. I don't see why Wemby can't get more looks like that, specially the pick and rolls. Sure, having an all-star PG might help a little, but you don't need all-stars to play an efficient pick and roll. Heck, the Spurs already do it, the problem is that Wemby is rarely the screen setter. Those looks are usually reserved for Collins and Bassey. You have a 7'5" guy, use him rolling to the basket.
    i dno man, go look at plays where wemby is the screen setter. he doesnt set hard screens, nor does he roll hard to the rim

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    i dno man, go look at plays where wemby is the screen setter. he doesnt set hard screens, nor does he roll hard to the rim
    Screen and rolls were his most efficient way of scoring in the French league. He clearly can do it. He's just not doing it on the Spurs enough because he plays more on the perimeter here.

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    lamelo has been awful today

    and im not sure what nba traits Theo Maledon has

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    Always great to see OKC lose. It's going to come less often.

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    LAC have beat LAL eleven times in a row. Wow.

    I expect the Lakers to get crushed tonight.

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    Where the "we should have signed Austin Reaves" people at ?

    33% from 2

    25% from 3

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    Holmgren could win ROY. He should have gone number 1 last year. He doesn't have to do nearly as much as Wembanyama and has a terrific, established team around him already.
    Holmgren will be lucky if he finishes the year healthy.

    Wemby's stats will improve as the season goes on. He's going to win ROTY and the NBA wants it that way. Wemby is highly marketable for the league.

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    Where the "we should have signed Austin Reaves" people at ?

    33% from 2

    25% from 3
    The Lakers were going to match. If the Spurs were smart Reaves would be shooting 25 percent for twice the cap hit.

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    Good sign for Dallas. Luka has an off night, no Kyrie and yet they still win.

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    The Lakers were going to match. If the Spurs were smart Reaves would be shooting 25 percent for twice the cap hit.
    regardless of the contract amount, now he would still receive the same 12 million
    the difference will be noticeable in years 3 and 4

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    Chet's offensive game comes almost exclusively from spot ups and pick and rolls. That's why he so efficient. I don't see why Wemby can't get more looks like that, specially the pick and rolls. Sure, having an all-star PG might help a little, but you don't need all-stars to play an efficient pick and roll. Heck, the Spurs already do it, the problem is that Wemby is rarely the screen setter. Those looks are usually reserved for Collins and Bassey. You have a 7'5" guy, use him rolling to the basket.
    have you seen the screens Wemby is setting? They don't free up the ball handler at all

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