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And on hostile territory with the crowd going crazy no less. Left me stun TBH.
No one expects Wemby to be Tim Duncan at 19. And yet yesterday he was. The team was just dead in the water, tie game from up 27 with Booker on fire and Durant hitting threes like he's in shootaround. And then Victor comes back in the game and gets 10 of the next 12 points and boom, game over.
And on hostile territory with the crowd going crazy no less. Left me stun TBH.
And with no Devin Vassell for backup.
What is Booker saying?
I'm still more impressed by how much of a defensive presence he is.
He should easily break the record for most DPOY awards, it's just absurd how many solid actions that get the ball into the paint just get cancelled as soon as the player attacking the rim sees Victor.
When he gets stronger in a season or two and starts playing C full-time (imo, it's inevitable) noone except for MVP level bigs will be able to stay on the floor against him.
Lineups with Victor at C are already winning us games and noone knows what they're doing.
I was honestly just laughing my ass off last night, the league is completely ed.
No matter how it’s used, I’ll never not have a laugh any time I see this gif. And I love TP as much as I do Tim and Manu.
@ all the cliffjumpers who thought we were gonna tank this season. We are contenders by next season, have the youngest roster in the NBA and the 2nd most draft picks. Ideal scenario is the Toronto picks hits in the 6-10 range and and we can trade for a disgruntled star. Like I said when we got the #1 pick, the Spurs have the chance to build the most dominating roster ever.
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Coach Pop is handling it pretty well. He's letting Jeremy get the needed reps which I do think are actually helping him. And Jones can finish the games cuz he's better right now and we are trying to win. So I don't really see a problem with doing a little bit of both, in fact, I think it's sort of the perfect approach.
Right now neither Jeremy or Tre are starters at PG for a le team. These are the players we have right now. Jeremy has the higher ceiling. I do think he's figuring things out. Not developing him now to me would be crazy. We don't know what the long-term solution is because we still don't know what the actual problem is.
Jeremy is a chill but sort of cold blooded dude that this team needs.
Pop very well may find an actual point guard in the off season but we aren't there yet. Let's see where this goes. With Wemby we don't need a savant point guard. Jeremy's defensive potential is amazing and really opens up mismatches.
In a vac what you're saying may be true but I'm not sure we have the luxury to put a PF at the point for the sake of developing his playmaking skills, if you consider he's not a long term solution there. You can still play him as point forward... Winning validates everything but you stillhave to give it some context... Most of our wins are improbable, "lose this most of the time" wins... The HOU and first PHO wins could as well have been losses and our defense is still middle to bottom of the West (even if you remove the Clips blow out loss, which you shouldn't since it's still an NBA game you played, don't get blown out). End of story, spurs could be 1-4 and the analysis about sochan at PG would be different. Teams will adapt to those spurs, independently of Wemby, and the difference with Tre as PG is significant enough that I'm not sure, if Pop is serious about winning, that you can afford that Sochan experimentation that long.
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I'm wondering if you see this on a different timeline than I do. You seem to be saying that Jeremy is not the point guard of the future, but we are not in the future yet, we're still in this first season with Victor where the coach has clearly stated that we're going to figure things out this year.
Sure, things can change. Goals can change. But for right now, Jeremy and Jones are our two point guards and both are playing. Jeremy had a good game last game even if we lost, so I don't see the reason to panic right now. In fact, I like how they are developing Jeremy while finishing the games with Jones. To me, that is a win-win for this season. In the off season then will have more information of what kind of point guard we need based on what we learned from this season.
Sorry, but I am here to be "that guy". Did Jeremy have his best game of the season? Yes, easily. But does having inexplicably poor court vision (missing 5 or 6 passes he needed to make) translate to an A-? His opposing FG% last night was 57.1% (8-14) (source). What's so great about this defensive performance? When the Suns made their run, some of it was from some bad decisions from Jeremy. If not for Wemby's heroics I think we'd be talking more about those. While we can all acknowledge that +/- is an imperfect statistic, once again, Jeremy finds himself on the bottom of the stat sheet for that metric.Jeremy Sochan
It was a little bit of a strange night for Sochan. I thought his court vision was inexplicably poor; he missed five or six passes he needed to make. But, hey, you look at the final box score and Sochan had nine assists and only one turnover. He also took advantage of mismatches well by getting into the lane in order to utilize his size and athleticism. I also loved Sochan’s defense. This was without question his best defensive game of the year. If he had done a better job of finding open teammates, Sochan would have had a monster outing. As it was, he was still very impactful.
Grade: A-
I think our expectations should be a little higher than to be that impressed with his game yesterday.
I do understand the timeline, I just don't understand the point if Jeremy is not playing PG next season and if that's not where he'll play most his career, which he definitely won't... I have seen enough to know that, however Sochan will progress in that role, and he necessarily will, he's not, and will never be, a natural PG, and will never be good enough to play at that position in a team with any ambition in this league... You can't teach PG instincts and skills.
Wouldn't it better to keep on developing a the post he'll play most of his career? he's still a sop re. And I mean that's litterally why he showed playmaking skills at PF that they they're trying him at PG... Let him play Point forward.
I also understand that's a way to keep him in the SL if you play Victor as a PF and Keldon as SF, but as far as playmaking is concerned you could as well let Sochan in his natural postion to develop them... I do'nt see the point if next year spurs are like: "Ok, thanks Jeremy we have a real PG now, so you get back to PF/SF for the rest of you career"... then you lost one year of development at his natural postion he got to get used to again.
KD had Sochan's hand in his face at almost every shot he let go, there's nothing more that you can do than contest and make it as tough as possible. He didn't shut him down, but he didn't give him anything easy
Cedi and Doug had some critical shots yesterday, especially Doug helping to hold back the onslaught of the Suns run, so I was surprised to see them so long in the +/-. However, then I looked at some two-man lineup stats and saw this (these are our worst two-man lineups putting in more than 5 minutes yesterday:
Lineup Min Off Rtg Def Rtg Net Rtg Doug-Cedi 7 61.5 180.0 -118.5 Doug-Keldon 5 58.3 153.8 -95.5 Cedi-Jeremy 12 96.0 170.8 -74.8 Doug-Bran 5 72.7 145.5 -72.7 Doug-Jeremy 9 88.9 160.0 -71.1 Cedi-Collins 13 114.3 174.1 -59.8
Two man lineup stats have a lot of other exogenous variables to consider (like, the other 3 guys on the court), but you can see that Doug and Cedi are certainly correlated with some rough defensive play when they are on the court.
KD was 10/15 yesterday (67%).
Yeah, sometimes players just make tough shots - so that's understandable. But we are seeing a trend through 5 games that Sochan ranks very high in contests on opponents shots, but is also giving up a very poor opposing FG%. The begs this question that will be worth watching as the season progresses and we get a greater sample size: Are guys just hitting tough shots and variance will eventually come in and we'll see Sochan's opposing FG% fall, or are Sochan's contests just not effective?
We will have to stay tuned to find out.
If Wemby blows up this soon, the Spurs can start packaging these extra picks and accelerate the timeline before they have to actually make those picks.
And definitely there needs to be recognition that much of Sochan's opposing FG% is coming against Luka, Jalen Green, Nephew and KD. Certainly that is worth mentioning.
Unfortunately I can't find opponent FG% stats for Bruce Bowen to compare against. At some point it would make sense that your "stopper" gives up a higher than average Opp FG% since they are going against the opponent's best players.
when your match ups are devin booker and kevin durant you take 8-14 every day of the week
I mean, they see Jeremy is a big part of their team, and I do too, so playing him on the bench seems less useful to me. I'm not convinced he can't be the point guard of the future. And even if he isn't the point guard of the future next year, I still think the experience will be very good for him.
To me it's basically a choice of:
We play Jones big minutes at point guard and then have to use our assets to get a different point guard in the off season.
Or, we give Jeremy a chance and see if it works out. And if it does, then we don't have to use a lot of our draft capital on drafting a point guard and we can use it for something else.
To me, that's why the timeline is so important and why there's no reason to rush right now, or fix people in tight roles when it's not clear what their role is yet. I mean, it's not like Jeremy is a stereotypical power forward anyway.
Devin Booker best shooting year (last season) was .494
KD did shoot .560 last season, which is insane considering the types of shots he takes
I don't consider giving up 57% FG% some gargantuan defensive feat.
"I held him to his season average!" doesn't mean you put in an all-star performance.
I mean he has a shot at pushing out Nando to hang with Boris and Tony.
Sochan was terrific on defense last night what? ��
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