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    Mr triple single is just not a very good basketball player, especially not a PG. He has no handles, no shot, is an average passer with poor court vision, his defence is wildly overrated and he lacks athleticism, speed and explosiveness. All while not looking for his 7'4" unicorn team mate who can do it all and seemingly alienating the Alien. We've seen this story with Pop before with Keith Bogans and those sort. Hopefully he can be moved to another team, I dont care what for.

    PS Does anyone think he's a stoner? Smokes a little too much weed?
    just because you post it ten times, it won't become true

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    people are overreacting about Sochan. It's his 2nd season and he's playing out of position. There's no proper evaluation of his ceiling possible at this point
    agreed-and that just seems so out of character for the otherwise poised and patient forum that is ST.

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    people are overreacting about Sochan. It's his 2nd season and he's playing out of position. There's no proper evaluation of his ceiling possible at this point
    If he isn't any good because he's playing out of position then he needs to be traded as Wemby has his position now.

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    If Sochan continues to sputter on offense he's a point forward role player like Boris Diaw. In hindsight Duren or Williams might been better picks.
    I tried to tell you Fgats ......... but most around here were down on Duren.

    Duren is 19yrs old........ 14.5 pts, 11.5 rebounds, shooting 66% from the field. He will only get better also.

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    If he isn't any good because he's playing out of position then he needs to be traded as Wemby has his position now.
    Exactly! Sell low while we still have a chance.

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    I tried to tell you Fgats ......... but most around here were down on Duren.

    Duren is 19yrs old........ 14.5 pts, 11.5 rebounds, shooting 66% from the field. He will only get better also.
    I liked Duren over Sochan. There were a few in here who wanted Duren.

    Spurs should have targeted him with a couple of their draft picks and had Sochan too but they should have drafted him outright at 9 if they couldn't land that trade that Detroit pulled off. It only cost Detroit two lottery protected first round picks.

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    I liked Duren over Sochan. There were a few in here who wanted Duren.

    Spurs should have targeted him with a couple of their draft picks and had Sochan too but they should have drafted him outright at 9 if they couldn't land that trade that Detroit pulled off. It only cost Detroit two lottery protected first round picks.
    why didn’t patfo take their opinion into account? ��

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    why didn’t patfo take their opinion into account? ��
    if that why you think people post here? to influence patfo's decisions?

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    Mr triple single is just not a very good basketball player, especially not a PG. He has no handles, no shot, is an average passer with poor court vision, his defence is wildly overrated and he lacks athleticism, speed and explosiveness. All while not looking for his 7'4" unicorn team mate who can do it all and seemingly alienating the Alien. We've seen this story with Pop before with Keith Bogans and those sort. Hopefully he can be moved to another team, I dont care what for.

    PS Does anyone think he's a stoner? Smokes a little too much weed?
    No but I think you’re a got

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    Another thread created that won’t age well! JS is a young player being asked to expand his game exponentially.

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    PG takes a long time to learn. When Tony was coming up the offense was sporadic and it would bog down quite often. It culminated in Speedy ing Claxton saving the day. The same mouth breathers were around telling us how TP9 sucked and how we needed to trade for Jason Kidd.

    Sochan's best trait is his defense and ability to switch. He can be useful in that role at any spot. I am having a lot of fun watching him try new things. Dude is absolutely fearless.

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    I think he's just super chill. He's what we call "flat affect" - doesn't have noticeable highs and lows, but a steady baseline state of emotion. And if what they say is true about NBA players, he might be high on weed all the time too.
    I feel like we had another player like that...Was that Jim Dunan?

    Not saying Sochan should be compared to Timmy by any means, but I also wouldn't put too much stock in the "emotion" guys show on the court. He may just not be one of those guys to get excited and high five and jump on each other. If he is unhappy, it will come out over time...but just because he isn't yelling or screaming like Keldon or hugging Wemby doesn't mean he is upset.

    I know when I am doing anything particularly athletic, I am very quiet and reserved and people probably think I'm mad, but I'm just focused and trying to stay in a zone.

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    Pop did compare Sochan to Manu tho...

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    I feel like we had another player like that...Was that Jim Dunan?

    Not saying Sochan should be compared to Timmy by any means, but I also wouldn't put too much stock in the "emotion" guys show on the court. He may just not be one of those guys to get excited and high five and jump on each other. If he is unhappy, it will come out over time...but just because he isn't yelling or screaming like Keldon or hugging Wemby doesn't mean he is upset.

    I know when I am doing anything particularly athletic, I am very quiet and reserved and people probably think I'm mad, but I'm just focused and trying to stay in a zone.
    You act like we didn't have an entire year of seeing him be extroverted

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    Pop did compare Sochan to Manu tho...
    That is the first sign of senile tbh

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    Something is definitely wrong with Sochan. Anyone realize that he had stop changing his hair color as well?

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    Pop did compare Sochan to Manu tho...
    he also compared Bryn Forbes to Steph Curry. The old man needs some glasses

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    No but I think you’re a got
    Solid reply

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    Love this board. Somehow everyone was happier when we won 23 games last year (still miserable mind you) than when we got a generational talent on our hands. Only on spurstalj.

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    PG takes a long time to learn. When Tony was coming up the offense was sporadic and it would bog down quite often. It culminated in Speedy ing Claxton saving the day. The same mouth breathers were around telling us how TP9 sucked and how we needed to trade for Jason Kidd.

    Sochan's best trait is his defense and ability to switch. He can be useful in that role at any spot. I am having a lot of fun watching him try new things. Dude is absolutely fearless.
    Then we're really screwed more than we thought.

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    Kawhi Leonard was a pretty good rookie, but it took about three years of development for him to become a great scorer and dominant NBA player. DJM took three years to become an all-star. Parker did not become the player that earned HOF status until 3-4 years into his career where he developed a jump shot. Players that have 4 years of college come into the NBA ready to contribute right away. That's why Duncan and Robinson were so dominant individually and they also came to a team full of veterans in win-now mode.

    Sochan has one year of experience. He's already better than he was last year and he will continue to improve. He has the height and he is a good athlete. The Spurs are one of the best teams when it comes to developing talent. But they are one 3 year plans, not 1 year and 7 games. Let's judge whether we should drop him in year 3, not year 1 and 7 games. He is one of the 5 best players on the Spurs and 29 teams would be glad to take him off our hands, but the Spurs are not as foolish as many of their fans.

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    Love this board. Somehow everyone was happier when we won 23 games last year (still miserable mind you) than when we got a generational talent on our hands. Only on spurstalj.
    vegas will always be way smarter than some of the usual suspects here on ST.

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    Kawhi Leonard was a pretty good rookie, but it took about three years of development for him to become a great scorer and dominant NBA player. DJM took three years to become an all-star. Parker did not become the player that earned HOF status until 3-4 years into his career where he developed a jump shot. Players that have 4 years of college come into the NBA ready to contribute right away. That's why Duncan and Robinson were so dominant individually and they also came to a team full of veterans in win-now mode.

    Sochan has one year of experience. He's already better than he was last year and he will continue to improve. He has the height and he is a good athlete. The Spurs are one of the best teams when it comes to developing talent. But they are one 3 year plans, not 1 year and 7 games. Let's judge whether we should drop him in year 3, not year 1 and 7 games. He is one of the 5 best players on the Spurs and 29 teams would be glad to take him off our hands, but the Spurs are not as foolish as many of their fans.
    patience is a trait severely lacking on this board.

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    Sochan has one year of experience. He's already better than he was last year ….

    You’re wandering around in fantasy land, just making stuff up.

    So far this year Sochan’s field goal percentage is down to .393 from last year’s .453, including his 2pt percentage down to .431 from .519. His ppg is down to 8.4 from 11.

    In advanced stats, his PER is down to 9.2 from 11.4, his TS% is .442 versus .509, his win shares have gone negative, and all of his Box scores are worse.

    The only real positive a person could point to is that Sochan’s assists are up, but that is only a duh since he’s allegedly playing the point on a team with Wemby.

    In brief, no sir, Sochan is not better already this year. So far this year, he is significantly worse than last year.

    If Sochan keeps going the way he’s going now, the place he’s going is out of the league. The Spurs need to sober up, and straighten up, and give Sochan an honest chance to make progress as the kind of player he is.

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    You’re wandering around in fantasy land, just making stuff up.

    So far this year Sochan’s field goal percentage is down to .393 from last year’s .453, including his 2pt percentage down to .431 from .519. His ppg is down to 8.4 from 11.

    In advanced stats, his PER is down to 9.2 from 11.4, his TS% is .442 versus .509, his win shares have gone negative, and all of his Box scores are worse.

    The only real positive a person could point to is that Sochan’s assists are up, but that is only a duh since he’s allegedly playing the point on a team with Wemby.

    In brief, no sir, Sochan is not better already this year. So far this year, he is significantly worse than last year.

    If Sochan keeps going the way he’s going now, the place he’s going is out of the league. The Spurs need to sober up, and straighten up, and give Sochan an honest chance to make progress as the kind of player he is.
    If you’re going to compare this season to last,your sample size should be the same. Look at the first 7 games of last year compared to the first 7 games of this year.

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