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    But at the same time, getting obliterated all the time has a huge impact on morale. Losing teaching you a valuable lesson, losing by 20-30 often is a different story
    You're right. I watched almost all of last season. I have turned off as many games this year as last year. Watching them fumble the ball out of bounds or not rotate or just ignore throwing the ball to Victor when he's open is ing maddening. Can't imagine how frustrating it is for the players.

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    I think he might mean 4 out, 1 in. 4 players playing outside the 3 point line, and one in the dunker's spot. That usually only works if you have a load of shooters.
    sucks that Devin's the only 3pt threat in the starting lineup, Keldon's shot is inconsistent. McD and Cedi can shoot the 3s at a more regular clip when they come in but the defense suffers. FO needs to draft a good PG

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    Im sure FO is aware of the PG situation for Wemby.. Im not sure if Pacers will let go of McConnell for Spurs' useless picks.... but I agree, Pacers might be willing trade McConnell, he's not seeing minutes, they have a lot of capable ball handlers (Haliburton, Nembhard, Mathurin)

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    Im sure FO is aware of the PG situation for Wemby.. Im not sure if Pacers will let go of McConnell for Spurs' useless picks.... but I agree, Pacers might be willing trade McConnell, he's not seeing minutes, they have a lot of capable ball handlers (Haliburton, Nembhard, Mathurin)
    McConnell is no better than Jones,and would be a waste of picks and a roster spot.

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    Yeah, really bad take by Bill Simmons. TJ McConnell is the answer??

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    Yeah, really bad take by Bill Simmons. TJ McConnell is the answer??
    need a warm body who can throw lobs to Vic

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    44% fgs even with an a system whose inept coach leaves Wemby with many tough shots / very few gimmes.

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    Yeah, really bad take by Bill Simmons. TJ McConnell is the answer??
    I think his real take is: play him with a real PG, period. It’s a view shared by many here.

    Also, if the Sochan at PG things is supposedly for better D, that doesn’t seem to be working either based on recent performances. Not because of him per se. I still think the answer longer terms requires Keldon going to the bench.

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    I'm ok with trading for a point guard when the moment is right but he's not necessarily better than Tre Jones. That's my point. It's a waste of a trade.

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    Well, he will have to learn to set better screens then. Do you really think there's a plausible scenario where Wemby can play professional NBA basketball without setting screens?
    How can you learn not being 7-4?

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    This is going to be a very frustrating experience for maybe a few years. I say this because this situation with Wemby and his teammates reminds me of Yao's situation in Houston his first few years playing with Mobley and Francis. Those 2 guys were extreme ball hogs and wouldn't pass the ball to Yao a lot of times when he was in position to score but would instead wave him off and take a bad shot. Things didn't get better for Yao until the Rockets got rid of both of those clowns. The same thing is happening here with Wemby and his teammates.

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    Nothing is frustrating if you had realistic expectations. Tatum average like 13ppg his rookie season. Pretty sure self-proclaimed goat Lebron missed the playoffs in a very weak eastern conference his first two years in the league. The Spurs have said repeatedly that they are going into the season with no expectations and want to see what they have with the team and Wemby. It's 7 games into this thing. Last thing you want to do is try to rush the process. Getting worked up about anything right now is a gigantic waste of time.

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    This is going to be a very frustrating experience for maybe a few years. I say this because this situation with Wemby and his teammates reminds me of Yao's situation in Houston his first few years playing with Mobley and Francis. Those 2 guys were extreme ball hogs and wouldn't pass the ball to Yao a lot of times when he was in position to score but would instead wave him off and take a bad shot. Things didn't get better for Yao until the Rockets got rid of both of those clowns. The same thing is happening here with Wemby and his teammates.
    Wemby does ask for the ball every single time on every situation. Making it look that way to casuals. I think he would lead the league in asking for the ball. He does it every second.

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    Wemby is awesome, obviously. He's clutch. But he's not a finished project. Over time he will figure out if he wants to do everything to win or be Wemby and whatever personal goals he has for himself. He has a lot of different elements to his persona. I'm still getting a sense of it.

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    Wemby does ask for the ball every single time on every situation. Making it look that way to casuals. I think he would lead the league in asking for the ball. He does it every second.
    I agree that's why it's very frustrating to watch. It's obvious he's playing with a bunch of boneheads like Yao was with Mobley and Francis. Spurs will eventually have to get rid of these guys like the Rockets did with Francis and Mobley.

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    I agree that's why it's very frustrating to watch. It's obvious he's playing with a bunch of boneheads like Yao was with Mobley and Francis. Spurs will eventually have to get rid of these guys like the Rockets did with Francis and Mobley.
    I think Wemby can play by himself it solves the passing issue. 90 percent of his energy is expended on asking for the ball. One of these days he would ask for the ball on the bench.

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    i dont see the value in mcconnell for the spurs at all

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    i dont see the value in mcconnell for the spurs at all
    There isn't one, which shocks me because it means that there are people OUTSIDE of ST dumber than the people here.

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    I think Wemby can play by himself it solves the passing issue. 90 percent of his energy is expended on asking for the ball. One of these days he would ask for the ball on the bench.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with Wemby raising his arm, at any time. It’s good shoulder exercise for him.

    It’s up to the other players, who are supposed to be professionals, to decide when they should take that seriously, and when they should ignore it. If they are unable to make correct decisions, they need to be coached up, or replaced.

    And if it bothers you, you should probably scream at the wall until you get it out of your system and feel better.

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    Yeah, really bad take by Bill Simmons. TJ McConnell is the answer??
    KOC even called his boss out for that.

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    KOC is all about the rebuilding process. After goofing around for three or four years, the Spurs finally picked a lane and I think KOC is supporting that.

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    Damn, if TJ McConnell is the answer I wanna hear what the in question is.

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    Damn, if TJ McConnell is the answer I wanna hear what the in question is.
    who is a better point guard than jeremy sochan

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    Pop said many times that he's going to let Victor be Victor. And that's exactly what Victor is doing. He wants to play a certain way and he will (evidently) have to find out the hard way that it isn't going to work like it did in France.

    Pop is never going to go full taskmaster on Wemby like he did on Parker back in the day, but while Victor has said that he is teachable and coachable I don't think he's quite there yet. This could be a silver lining to the team getting crushed repeatedly: Victor will realize more quickly that the way he wants to play isn't conducive to winning games.
    This isn't how he played on France, that's the thing.

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    Pop said many times that he's going to let Victor be Victor. And that's exactly what Victor is doing. He wants to play a certain way and he will (evidently) have to find out the hard way that it isn't going to work like it did in France.

    Pop is never going to go full taskmaster on Wemby like he did on Parker back in the day, but while Victor has said that he is teachable and coachable I don't think he's quite there yet. This could be a silver lining to the team getting crushed repeatedly: Victor will realize more quickly that the way he wants to play isn't conducive to winning games.
    blame is to be shared. the team misses easy looks to him, a lot. and that's on them. im sure nobody here wants him trying to dance from 22 feet out. so when he does duck into position, or runs the break and has a clear rim-rim... feed him the ball. and they miss a lot of those

    then wemby is at fault because he allows those missed opportunities to frustrate him to a degree that next time he has the ball, he plays like he's antoine walker and jacks up bad contested jumpers.

    he has a right to be frustrated, but cant let it get to him and cause him to make bad decisions, or play lackadaisical defense. he's showing some of the "muh touches" syndrome and i really hope pop isnt too scared to coach that out of him. at the same time, pop has to make more of an emphasis for the offense to run through those actions that lead to wemby getting isolated down low.

    if pops master plan is just to have all the players out there figure it out among themselves, then im not quite sure why we are paying him to coach

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