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    I don't think Bibi is going to survive this politically.
    Please. The Jews was madder at him and the wife when they was stealin' the State silverware than for this dust up.

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    Even Far-Left parties in Germany are preaching deportations

    These protests couldn't have come at a worse time for Muslim migrants

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    I don't think Bibi is going to survive this politically.
    Netannazi was born from a female dog in a monastery in Italy.

    In other words.

    If anyone can survive this. It is this Antichrist

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    De facto ethnic cleansing and a punitive massacre of noncombatants.

    Hard to see what the US national interest in.continuing to support this. It puts all our troops over there in danger and makes us unsafer here. Longer term, US prestige and the rules based order most favorable to us will deteriorate.


    https://x.com/Yonatan_Touval/status/...149053788?s=20


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    De facto ethnic cleansing and obvious atrocities against civilians.

    Hard to see what the US national interest in.continuing to support this. It puts all our troops over there in danger and makes us unsafer here. Longer term, US prestige and the rules based order most favorable to us will deteriorate.


    https://x.com/Yonatan_Touval/status/...149053788?s=20

    prestige
    /prĕ-stēzh′, -stēj′/

    noun
    The level of respect at which a person or thing is regarded by others; standing.
    "an act that boosted his prestige; a job with low prestige."
    Good reputation; honor.
    "Her accomplishments lent a lot of prestige to the college."
    Great respect or importance.
    "Doctors are usually treated with prestige."




    Ummm im pretty sure USA has ZERO prestige in the world at the moment.

    We just are literally threatening the Muslim world with total war if they jump in to help Gaza.

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    I don't think Bibi is going to survive this politically.
    One would hope. The reality is that Israel will win this war militarily, and that will likely give him a political boost in Israel, so we'll see.

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    One would hope. The reality is that Israel will win this war militarily, and that will likely give him a political boost in Israel, so we'll see.
    While it's possible in principle that Israel can depopulate Gaza and kill Hamas to the last man, in so doing it would run a much more dangerous risk -- igniting a multi-front war. But maybe that's the plan.

    Even if Israel does manage to eliminate Hamas without ending up in a regional war, it's hard to see where the win is. The first Nakba didn't solve the Arab problem, in fact it's largely responsible for creating it. Similar generational grudges are being born right now, tbh.

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    While it's possible in principle that Israel can depopulate Gaza and kill Hamas to the last man, in so doing it would run a much more dangerous risk -- igniting a multi-front war. But maybe that's the plan.

    Even if Israel does manage to eliminate Hamas without ending up in a regional war, it's hard to see where the win is. The first Nakba didn't solve the Arab problem, in fact it's largely responsible for creating it. Similar generational grudges are being born right now, tbh.
    With who though? The Arabs hardly seem to care and Iran is already doing what it can without a direct border.

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    With who though? The Arabs hardly seem to care and Iran is already doing what it can without a direct border.
    Yup, now would be the ideal time to jump into the war if you perceive that Israel would get overstretched.

    Iran seems happy to continue to wage war by proxy while it strengthen their relationships with Russia and China.

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    While it's possible in principle that Israel can depopulate Gaza and kill Hamas to the last man, in so doing it would run a much more dangerous risk -- igniting a multi-front war. But maybe that's the plan.

    Even if Israel does manage to eliminate Hamas without ending up in a regional war, it's hard to see where the win is. The first Nakba didn't solve the Arab problem, in fact it's largely responsible for creating it. Similar generational grudges are being born right now, tbh.
    Biden will inform the world about that after CNN tells Blinken "where." CNN tells Blinken, Blinken tells Biden, Biden tells you guys, you guys come on here, take me offin' the Ignore, and tell me.

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    the Middle East! Hamas especially and their 20pt IQ collective incestual asses!

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    While it's possible in principle that Israel can depopulate Gaza and kill Hamas to the last man, in so doing it would run a much more dangerous risk -- igniting a multi-front war. But maybe that's the plan.

    Even if Israel does manage to eliminate Hamas without ending up in a regional war, it's hard to see where the win is. The first Nakba didn't solve the Arab problem, in fact it's largely responsible for creating it. Similar generational grudges are being born right now, tbh.
    More dangerous than what happened already? I don't see it.

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    More dangerous than what happened already? I don't see it.
    They was out in force in DE., at Biden's estate when he drove up today. Should a bull rushed it.

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    With who though? The Arabs hardly seem to care and Iran is already doing what it can without a direct border.
    Hezbollah for one. The Turks aren't Arabs, but they're already making noises that they might not sit still for more of the same.

    Other countries might eventually feel forced to do something to quell internal unrest. Things could get rough in Jordan and Egypt. Even if neighboring governments hardly seem to care about Palestinians, the people there do.

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    Carry on, sir,,,,turn gaza into glass,,,,,

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    More dangerous than what happened already? I don't see it.
    I hope you're right.

    I think a hot war involving Lebanon could be dangerous for Israel and could spin out of control, if just one other country gets involved. The 2006 Lebanon war was hardly a clear cut win, and Israel didn't have to mobilize internally like it has now.

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    Carry on, sir,,,,turn gaza into glass,,,,,
    Gaza is located inside Israel's borders.

    Do you know how radioactive fallout works?

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    Hezbollah for one. The Turks aren't Arabs, but they're already making noises that they might not sit still for more of the same.

    Other countries might eventually feel forced to do something to quell internal unrest. Things could get rough in Jordan and Egypt. Even if neighboring governments hardly seem to care about Palestinians, the people there do.
    Turks aren't going to amphibiously land forces in the Levant. Even if Hezbollah starts rocket attacks like Hamas and Israel occupies Lebanon there is still Syria and a whole mess of multinational troops in the way. This is before NATO considerations.

    Now I could definitely see that escalation pissing off the Arabs but for now their leaders really do seem to take this as a proxy war of Iran and are fine with fine with the death toll if it means getting Iran's proxy out.

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    Gaza is located inside Israel's borders.

    Do you know how radioactive fallout works?
    Are they firing nukes and no one told me?,,,,theyre turning them into glass just fine as it is,,,,

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    Hezbollah for one. The Turks aren't Arabs, but they're already making noises that they might not sit still for more of the same.

    Other countries might eventually feel forced to do something to quell internal unrest. Things could get rough in Jordan and Egypt. Even if neighboring governments hardly seem to care about Palestinians, the people there do.
    I mean, we all know what a real solution here looks like, and that means continuing with Iran after they're done with Gaza. Cut the head of the snake.

    BUT, given the geopolitical realities, that might have to wait.

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    Hezbollah for one. The Turks aren't Arabs, but they're already making noises that they might not sit still for more of the same.

    Other countries might eventually feel forced to do something to quell internal unrest. Things could get rough in Jordan and Egypt. Even if neighboring governments hardly seem to care about Palestinians, the people there do.
    Turks own the corner of the fence. And the people love it. They benefit from playing both sides. Personally I prefer them remain so. Both sides but ultimately neither.

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    I hope you're right.

    I think a hot war involving Lebanon could be dangerous for Israel and could spin out of control, if just one other country gets involved. The 2006 Lebanon war was hardly a clear cut win, and Israel didn't have to mobilize internally like it has now.
    Then, that's the one I want.

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    I mean, we all know what a real solution here looks like, and that means continuing with Iran after they're done with Gaza. Cut the head of the snake.

    BUT, given the geopolitical realities, that might have to wait.
    Short of using nukes, I wonder whether the US and Israel are capable of overthrowing and pacifying Iran. The US hasn't been able to pacify Iran's much smaller neighbor, Iraq, in 20 years.

    The fact that Iraq in some sense is Iran's proxy would hardly have been thinkable had not the US invaded Iraq. The strategy of wrecking countries we don't like has already been strategically counterproductive.

    Also, US ammo supply and readiness are not what they were 20-30 years ago. These two factors could be objectively limiting.
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