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    Exactly, but the question is who is at fault of this. Is it all on the players, or are they not well coached?
    its both

    but the idea that last year they simply weren't being coached to play defense, and all the talk of "this year we are emphasizing defense" is falling flat. we already knew a lot of these players were limited defenders. but schematically, there's nothing they're doing that seems right either. even Victor's defense has been less impactful last couple of games, and frankly, he looks disinterested on that end right now

    guys being physically limited defensively doesnt account for the awful rotations, multiple guys leaving their assignments to overhelp, no boxing out. im not sure what pop is bringing to the table

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    Exactly, but the question is who is at fault of this. Is it all on the players, or are they not well coached?

    It’s the coaching, or the lack thereof. Even an unathletic idiot can be taught to stand in the right spot. The Spurs players are constantly in the wrong place.

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    Young players seem to have difficulty understanding (or caring tbh) about defensive rotations. Pop might be simplifying but if so that's obviously not working either. It's very weird. Pop has mellowed with age and being confronted with the real NBA (thanks, Kawhi) has taken away some of his bite. I'm curious if he is simply trying to ac ulate young talent for the next coach or is so cautious with not screwing up Wemby that he's screwing up Wemby.

    I expected bad this year but not somehow worse.

    Part of me jokes that Pop is letting Wemby have an Amish Rumspringa, so to speak, where he gets no rules and can do whatever he wants so that Wemby will learn himself what works and doesn't work and then come back into the fold. I prefer that to Pop not having any plan as far as when he wants to start coaching again.

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    The coaching is bad. It has been like this for years with no acknowledgement, let alone attempts to do better.

    A post from 2020:

    No-names and up-and-comers will continue to get their career highs against us because we "help" on defense like 8 yards away from the 3 point line. Just to not stop whoever was attacking the paint anyway lol

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    pop signed a 5 year deal. its not about the next coach. frankly im confused as to what he's trying to accomplish

    sure, are young guys excited to learn about defensive rotations? probably not. but thats your job as a coach. to get them to buy in, or play somebody ahead of them who will. this is why you usually see fans frustrated about why they dont "just play the young guy" all the time.

    and other than wemby, none of these guys out there are rookies.

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    I am also tired of Pop being terse and curt with the media. You don't get to act like everyone asks you too many dumb, obvious questions when you never show that you have any answers to on-court problems.

    It's obnoxious.

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    I am also tired of Pop being terse and curt with the media. You don't get to act like everyone asks you too many dumb, obvious questions when you never show that you have any answers to on-court problems.

    It's obnoxious.
    Oh no. You're tired.

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    I am also tired of Pop being terse and curt with the media. You don't get to act like everyone asks you too many dumb, obvious questions when you never show that you have any answers to on-court problems.

    It's obnoxious.
    You'll have to just take it for what it is.
    In all likelyhood for 5 more years at the least.

    Pop has a cult following and with all his slurpers including ownership he's never going to be held to account imo.
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    Popped without Duncan? Ya, we see what's happening.

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    I am also tired of Pop being terse and curt with the media. You don't get to act like everyone asks you too many dumb, obvious questions when you never show that you have any answers to on-court problems.

    It's obnoxious.
    Because he said he didn't know how to stop the Knicks in the interview last night?

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    The team seems to be purposeless
    Young team is part to blame
    Coach is part too

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    I am also tired of Pop being terse and curt with the media. You don't get to act like everyone asks you too many dumb, obvious questions when you never show that you have any answers to on-court problems.

    It's obnoxious.
    Pop hasn't been that guy in two seasons.

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    I've been asking, wtf has this team been doing in training camp for the past few years. Probably watching do entaries.
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    Still, for all the undue credit he receives, it's only right he gets some blame to balance it out.

    The front office has repeatedly drafted players with a defensive reputation and just got the highest ceiling defensive prospect ever, yet can't even graduate from terrible to run of the mill bad?

    Meanwhile, they lack any semblance of dynamism offensively to offset it.

    As ever, the team is full of players who lack impressive physical tools and are midrange pull-up fiends, which is being enabled because he literally runs ATO's for it.
    I totally agree with all this, brother. It's extremely discouraging that there seems to be no 'good' or improved gameplay since last season. I'm not gonna disagree with any of that.

    And I also understand people's frustrations with Pop pulling a'Doc Rivers' and being unwilling to switch up this poorly performing/fitting starting lineup.

    I think (if he can get his shooting touch back inserting Champagnie and Jones into the starting rotation, bringing both Sochan & Johnson off the bench (if Keldon doesn't want to be a 6th man then bye bye), while removing McDermott completely (use him young a younger 'Steve Kerr' type gunner sparingly), and platooning Graham & Wesley all would make more sense.

    Hopefully, Pop realizes this at some point and stops worrying about 'hurting' Keldon or Jeremy's feelings.

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    Really good teams have started seasons poorly. Far better teams have started worse. We haven't even established what position Victor is supposed to play. People keep trying to turn him into Tim Duncan, which is precisely not what he does. The Spurs were a far better team before the fans started expressing their opinions. Half the fan base s on Sochan for six months and then start a thread wondering what's up with him.

    If we are gonna blame anyone right now, I blame the spoiled fans who didn't watch any games last year and now treat the youngest team in the league the same way they treated le teams. I wouldn't want to give effort for you ing idiots either.
    Plenty of "youngest teams in the league" have been young and not historically bad on defense for two seasons. The climb from historically bad to good enough to be a good team is probably to steep.

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    Does basic strategy one learned when 8 years old really require millionaire rookies, many of whom went to major colleges to have some ridiculous learning curve?
    Thus justifying this years thus far crap show.

    I call b.s.

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    Plenty of "youngest teams in the league" have been young and not historically bad on defense for two seasons. The climb from historically bad to good enough to be a good team is probably to steep.
    One season and 8 games.

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    One season and 8 games.

    i saw that; that's quite a round up.

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    i saw that; that's quite a round up.
    The drama...

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    Does basic strategy one learned when 8 years old really require millionaire rookies, many of whom went to major colleges to have some ridiculous learning curve?
    Thus justifying this years thus far crap show.

    I call b.s.
    It comes down to the team being either slow (physically, at the least) or not getting instruction from the coaches.


    Seeing something wrong and not doing anything about it...it's like the team has the Dantoni/Dolan virus.

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    One season and 8 games.
    You think it's going to get better

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    You think it's going to get better
    If Pop somehow happens on to 2 additional HOFs and All Star role players to go with Wemby he may be able to duplicate the coat tailing of Duncan.
    That's what it's going to take.
    If not the drought will continue for at least 5 more years.

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    Pop is doing everything correctly if the goal is to tank.

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    The goal isn't to tank but it's not to won either. Pop is seeing and developing what they got. FO's job is to secure massive talent upgrade needed around wemby

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    The goal isn't to tank but it's not to won either. Pop is seeing and developing what they got. FO's job is to secure massive talent upgrade needed around wemby


    Hence the tanking. They know they need to draft talent.

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    It's frustrating to know the Spurs should be a lot better if Pop actually decided to coach for real.

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