Move Keldon's ass to the bench and try to sell it like he is the new Manu.
If he doesn't like it...send him packing, dude isn't that good anyways
It's pretty obvious Sochan should be on the bench. Keldon fits well with the starters. Sochan does not. Jeremy should have never been the starter. Last year included though that's whatever. This year there wasn't a good argument for Sochan and Collins starting with Wemby. Pop thought differently, as we can all see now.
I've been hoping for bench-Keldon for a long time now. His energy and wrecking-ball style of play is just suited for that Manu role to a T.
I was certain, when Pop made those comments before the season about "Manu came off the bench so I don't wanna hear it", that it was Keldon he was talking about -- but now I'm not certain at all. None of the "non-bench players" are coming off the bench at all, except for like, Tre? Who isn't a starter to begin with.
Puzzling to say the least.
Keldon's defense will always cap his ceiling as non-starter, though. I know what you think about Sochan's play this season, and if you say they're both bench players I can't really disagree at this point - but if I'd have to put in effort into making one of those guys a starter, Sochan would be my pick as well.
He's not playing pretty right now, but has the higher ceiling in my opinion on both ends of the court. People are crazy quick judging a player playing out of position on a bottom league team. For Keldon though there's years of proof of where he really belongs on a good team.
The only defense I have for Sochan starting is that before Wemby, he was the highest draft pick the Spurs have had since Duncan...so Pop and crew obviously want to lean into developing him and proving they made the right pick. He is a 2nd year 9th pick and deserves his chance to prove himself.
But as you and I have discussed in other threads...I don't feel like this is the right way to do it. Making him a PG just so they can fit Johnson, Collins, and Wemby on the court just isn't working and the proof is in the pudding.
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Keldon should be replaced... with someone like OG. Not Sochan Sochan is not an upgrade at SF. He's just as out of position there as Keldon is. The Spurs aren't winning a le with Johnson starting, but they would be a better team now leveraging the things he does well and absorbing his faults. He's their most versatile scorer and off-dribble play-maker. The starting lineup needs that more than the more traditional bench does.
Sochan's not a small-forward either. The dude can come off the bench just fine. Pop trying to plug him in somewhere doesn't make sense. Just put him in a position he finds comfortable and let him develop as intended rather than trying to force growth.
Oof, Keldon for OG? You're preaching to the choir at this point :P
Agree on all counts, and it's why I take the "hard stance" on Keldon starting despite him being maybe my favorite player on the team now. Sochan will be great in two years as a PF that can take point-forward duties as requested, but he's definitely not a SF, not a SG, and not a PG of course
I really think the discussion paradigm right now is so ed because people want the team to be good, yet every action and indication from the FO has actively hampered the team's success. I don't know if I like such an early and blatant tank -- but I also can't deny the Spurs would do marvelously with a top-5 pick paired with Wemby and a big roster change to build on those two. A Shai to his Chet, if you will.
I guess this team has to lose by 60 for somebody to get an F. I love what Malaki is saying in this video: "Just keep pounding the rock. We're doing a good job, we do everything right."
If that's what Pop has told them send him off to a retirement home
I honestly don’t mind the losing, but I don’t feel like the young guys are “learning” anything when they’re consistently getting curb stomped by mid level talent teams…
I don't get the Sochan discourse. Him being their highest draft pick in 25 years was a function of their being a dynasty with unparalleled longevity and a refusal to rebuild (or an attempt to time it) for a while after it was over.
There's been far higher pedigree or flat out better prospects, on plenty of mediocre or re-building teams, who have come off the bench over the years and some of them played spot minutes or were on the deep bench.
Thinking he's above a mid 20s mpg role off the bench is absurd.
Pop should get an F until he makes Sochan the sixth man and introduces some semblance of structure at either end of the court. Quit sucking up LJ.
This team is so bad it makes you miss the KBD‘s and Romeo Langford‘s
The only thing the TOSB did that was good was let Graham run the offense. He won't sniff the court again unfortunately because The Senile less will never change.
Pop can’t hide behind Timmy and his 5 rings anymore. People are catching on to his horrible coaching job. Get your head out of your ass or step down already
Team has Tre, Graham, Wesley, Sir Jabari and Pop starts wants a PF to handle the ball. But I think the talent of the team as a whole does not meet expectations. Fans see Wemby highlights, Sochan, Vassell, Keldon highlights but they dont see the lowlights - turnovers, missed defensive assignment and other team shooting lights out while Spurs shoot bricks, mainly because theres not much playmaking to get open looks
This is what's frustrating in these blowouts. I know Spurs are a young team but there's a lot of defensive mistakes and better coached teams capitalize on our young guys' mistakes
spurs need to hire this guy for film sessions. wtf are the Spurs even doing in practice?
it's not so much the talent, but the coaching and stupid line ups. This team was better last year than it is this year, so you can't say we have a bunch of bad players. They just don't play physical enough or smart and lack point guard play and basic defensive principles. And we've seen them stomp teams in some quarters, but they don't keep that intensity up for 48 minutes. 99% of that is a coaching issue.Team has Tre, Graham, Wesley, Sir Jabari and Pop starts wants a PF to handle the ball
I like his mental resilience. Don’t get too down because this is just the beginning of the season… to be fair that loss wasn’t on him individually. He’s got to be resilient to come out of that without some PTSD lol I kind of like him more now than I did simply because I think the team needs some mental toughness as well.I guess this team has to lose by 60 for somebody to get an F. I love what Malaki is saying in this video: "Just keep pounding the rock. We're doing a good job, we do everything right."
If that's what Pop has told them send him off to a retirement home
Is timvp part of the spineless SA media too afraid to call out Pop and his crap?
but our press credentials
Not to me… to be fair it got really really bad, but I am still hopeful for a Wemby led Spurs. What we are seeing isn’t it but I am still hopeful for Wemby taking off.
it’s a far question if this tank is on purpose like Sugus is stating. It’s one thing to not be quite good enough but being put in positions to take your best chances and another to be sabotaged from within. I can’t believe the Spurs would tank on purpose with Wemby in tow. It’s not fair and it’s precisely the kind of thing that posters in this forum used to criticize about teaching a losing mentality to young players .. yada yada.. that whole chestnut. I can’t think it’s on purpose.
Perhaps I'm one of the sniffers, but I do tend to give PATFO the benefit of the doubt. This is getting harder and harder to do as the Spurs keep getting embarrassed.
I can see "let Wemby learn on his own and don't put him in a box" as code for a stealth tank, but I don't think the players will be as willing to play along as they were last year.
I actually think Sochan is defending guards far better than he is defending big sf's and pfs. I'm suprised how well get sticks to his guards getting around screens. But when he switches onto a big, it a disaster.
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