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The old man said what he said! Lol. Pretty accurate.
An 80% recap of final 3 minutes of half.
46-45 Spurs 3 minutes left:
48-45 Devin creates his own shot, jumper good!
48-47 Defensive screw up led to unguarded layup. Spurs in Zone, man to man? Who the knows.
49-48 OKC. Floppy haired phuck goes coast to coast on a defensive switch screw up unguarded for layup. Sochan was his man.
1st turnover Vassell got fouled by #5 no call. Knocked V on the arm with a reach in and got away with it. Certainly not a lack of effort by Vassell.
Wemby had a slacker failure to follow rebound after successful defense of OKC three pt shooter. Wemby broke upcourt, ball karoomed back all the way to near the arc where OKC had just shot. Shooter drove it in for the score as Wemby was upcourt.
+3 pts off of OKC out of bounds play. Looked like a b.s. push off that SGA got away with on Sochan. Sochan rung up for the after flop. Layup + tech foul. Again, not lack of effort. It was an error by Sochan to let SGA break to the hoop like that. Needed to be between SGA and the hoop. But the push off gave the final separation.
Nice pass by Wemby. Sochan just bobbled it. Turnover.
Horrible lob by Zollins for the turnover.
The old man said what he said! Lol. Pretty accurate.
You will not disrespect Timothee Chalamet this way.
that's what makes you wonder: What exactly is he teaching guys during training camp/practices? I don't think the players are that dumb, even though they look like it
The problem with your analogy is that Jerry Jones is the one who needs to be shown the door.
I think that Pop is the perfect coach for tanking another year. We don't really play basketball and lack basketball IQ like we are disabled. We don´t have enough talent to compete and I'm already looking at next year's draft. A Holland, Collier, Edwards, Sarr or Buzelis and a big like Clingan or best available on this team could be what we need long term. We only have two future starters as I see it, Wemby and Vassell.
Vassell sucks balls and will be injured before you and i could even argue about it...
Vassell cannot make an obvious lob pass - and is only out to get his - by putting up ridiculous shots which he sometimes makes - but is a ty way to play and will only lead to losses
Keep VW - and get rid of everyone else
You could be right but Vassell is the only player the other team might be worried about besides Wemby. If I was the coach of the opposing team I would just love it when our bigs try play like guards. One of them is forced to play PG which is ridiculous. Vassell should take even more midrange shots tbh. His role is perfect and he is one player who is at his natural position.
Pop doesn’t really tell us anything other than lack of effort (“gutless worms” anyone?) which is a nothing-burger. If there’s lack of effort why is that? What is at the root of that?
If things are going south mid game what is going on? Is there anything that can be done to fix the root cause? How can you get back on track?
TBH things are going south because when the other team figures out that the Spurs are telegraphing passes, that their offense is predictable and that they don’t have a perimeter creator that scares them, then they can prevent lobs to Wemby, they can play passing lanes and do a bunch of schemes to stifle an anemic offense where players freelance and settle for tough shots or bailout passes.
The offense is a problem and if you can’t stop the TO and aren’t organized offensively, your bad offense turns into bad defense as well. You can’t stop transition scoring. Soon teams are going on a scoring spree fueled by your TO, and mistakes and yeah mentally it affects players. Frustration adds to boneheaded plays, bad shooting nights because players are frustrated. It just snowballs from there.
At some point there’s no effort because mentally they are beat. They can’t make a run of their own etc. The scoring gap is too great.
We only see the mental part and lack of effort after the gap is wide, but what’s causing that to get out of hand before then is the problem they need to figure out.
The team also needs to develop mental toughness and that’s where having a seasoned veteran also helps. Too many young guys can be volatile in terms of a bad game or bad mindset spreading.Ironically I thought Sochan was one of the guys who looked the most frustrated.
Still waiting on an explanation of the logic behind forcing Sochan to play point guard. No one has any explanation that makes sense
Many things end badly because otherwise they wouldn't end. If Pop insists on going out on his own terms it could get ugly.
It's sad to think that we will literally never know.
The show that were his "exposures" completely obliterated any chance of the Spurs ever mentioning Primo's name again. I'm shocked (but not really) that he's in the league again this fast, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Sean & Bill flat-out have a beeping on the mic whenever he's in the match next time we play the Clippers
It gets even worse once you think of the current team, the glaring hole of a PG that puts pressure on the defense, is a shooter, and stuff.... We'll never know if Primo could've been that guy, but the Spurs certainly thought that of him, and I would've liked to see it through even if he wasn't my pick at the time. sucks.
You know you can tag me my guy? I'm not seeing your messages otherwise.Forced out by who? F'n Wright?
RC won't do it. Local media won't say . , the majority of fans wouldn't even go for it. Even in this thread, you got Sniffers like ex, Sugus, and Obstructed saying he's doing an amazing job this season. Every single "star" player he's coached since Timmy has left has wanted out and e's still here not giving a on the bench night in, night out. He's untouchable
He's doing a great job this season..... Of tanking out the season. Setting the tone early. I've hardly seen Pop more focused on a goal, tbh
There's few places where reality is as warped as ST tribalism. I joined this forum some years ago because most Spurs-focused forums were overly sweet on Pop and the Spurs, but I'm too lenient on him for ST's sake, apparently.
It's either he's a coach and always has been, or you're sniffin', so you better pick sides before playtime's over!
Really? I think people are really digging the Earth for answers when Pop & Co have been quite transparent in their approach.
They don't care to win this season. They see a future where Sochan handles the ball and want to put chips on it, and keep him on the court as much as possible.
It's perfectly arguable that it's not a good strategy or whatever, but acting like there's no explanation ¡?!¡?! is just willful ignorance at this point, he's repeatedly gotten asked about it. Personally, I'm pro-tank this season, so despite not loving the results, I perfectly agree with the place they're taking us to.
It was man to man, obviously. Vassell made two blunders on that one, the first being due to defensive incompetence, which then led to a mental error as well.
First, Vassell was in the wrong place. That’s the error of incompetence. He positioned himself too far from the baseline. He lost sight of his man, who was near the corner.
Second, when Osman’s man came across trailed by Osman, Vassell noticed that, and thought he would switch with Osman. Vassell stepped out toward Osman’s man, when Osman’s man came around. Mental error, false assumption.
Behind Vassell, there was nothing going on that would lead to a switch. No screen, no nothing. Osman could see that, so of course he did not switch. He just stayed with his man, rightly so.
It all left Vassell’s man unguarded, so he ran behind Vassell, with a clear lane to the basket.
Incompetence by Vassell leading to mental error by Vassell, and they score.
It all traces back to Vassell being in the wrong place at the beginning. That’s on the coaching. We’re ten games into the season, and the coaches STILL have not instructed the players on things as basic as where to stand to play competent defense? Damn.
The Spurs players are not as bad as they look, folks. But the coaching is.
I didn’t watch them last year and I wonder about statements like this. Why do you think this is? Allowing too much freelancing, lack of an iden y, sending Tre to the bench? I don’t know, give me some reasons here.
the reason is because last year we were fine offensively. Tre Jones started, Sochan played PF and the team moved the ball and was able to score. The defense was the same as this year, non-existent. We also only played Vassell/Keldon/Sochan line ups for less than 300 min for the entire season to ensure the tank.
This year the offense is worse cause Pop just wants Wemby to do whatever he wants and doesn’t run sets and has decided to start Sochan at PG. So the offense is worse and while we added Wemby, the defense is on the same level with him, because Pop can’t teach these guys basic defensive principles that you learn in high school
Thanks for you answer. What you state makes sense to me but without watching them last season I just have no reference point, so that’s good to know.
Come here, Sug.You know you can tag me my guy? I'm not seeing your messages otherwise.
He's doing a great job this season..... Of tanking out the season. Setting the tone early. I've hardly seen Pop more focused on a goal, tbh
the thing is this team doesn't play hard enough. No physicality and once they are down they give up. Has Pop lost the locker room? People have always said he's the best motivator, but the guys look like they tuned him out
See, there’s no logical connection between that explanation and the actions by popovich. There are plenty of ways to get Sochan to handle the ball without playing him as a starting point guard. There are also plenty of better ways to tank the team than to totally undermine your lottery pick from the immediately preceding year.
Strange because Sochan is a far better point guard than Primo or Wesley, but Spursfan has torches and pitchforks out for him.It's sad to think that we will literally never know.
The show that were his "exposures" completely obliterated any chance of the Spurs ever mentioning Primo's name again. I'm shocked (but not really) that he's in the league again this fast, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Sean & Bill flat-out have a beeping on the mic whenever he's in the match next time we play the Clippers
It gets even worse once you think of the current team, the glaring hole of a PG that puts pressure on the defense, is a shooter, and stuff.... We'll never know if Primo could've been that guy, but the Spurs certainly thought that of him, and I would've liked to see it through even if he wasn't my pick at the time. sucks.
the old man thinks that yellow hair janitor is a basketball player and keeps starting him. smh
Disagree...plenty of games last year the Spurs did not look like an NBA team. Their roles were more defined but there were a number of games that were over in the first 6 minutes. The game in the Dome comes to mind. that was embarrassing. Plenty of other games like it too. Our team just sucks
edit: just looked it over, my count may be wrong but i count at least 11 games where we were blown out by 30+ last season and I think 3 in which they lost by 40+. A number of those 30+ losses were close to 40, like 35 point loss vs pels, 36 point loss vs Bucks, 37 point loss against the dubs, 38 point loss against the suns, etc. we were also dead last in ppg, oppg, and point differential. one of those 30 point losses was against the ing RocketsNot sure i agree the team last year was not this bad
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