2023-2024 NBA trade deadline

[scott]

A unit need not have 5 defensive stalwarts on the floor to be a good defensive unit, and I think in the case of Ivey there could be some addition by subtraction if you reshuffle the lineup in other ways.

One way, and the way that would make DAF86 happy because it would allow him to gloat over this entire board, would be to move Sochan to the 4 and Wemby to the 5 and add an additional wing who is a good defender, say for example OG.

Ivey
Vassell
OG
Sochan
Wemby

Is likely a huge upgrade on the defensive end over what we play now.

I do agree thoguh that a trade like this is likely a very long shot.

[TD 21]

Can anyone tell me why RealGM seems to think Andrew Nembhard is super valuable? There was literally a thread in the forum where they had the Spurs trading Jones and two firsts (which including ATL25) for him, and the general consensus was that it was a slight overpay but that the Pacers shouldn't do it. Every stat I find suggests he's been worse than Jones and does't have any advantage over him. Is there something I'm missing? Does he blow up the eye test? The latest thread has the Spurs trading Keldon, Branham and Osman for Nembhard, Walker and Hield. The general consensus for that is that is extremely lopsided in the Spurs' favor. It feels like they're trolling, but they've been on this for weeks.

I know the Pacers are high on him (Carlisle claimed last season that he'd eventually go down as a top 10 player from his draft class) and by all accounts, he's a stereotypical Spur all around.

But at going on 24, lacking offensive dynamism and upside beyond a third guard, it doesn't make sense to offer the type of draft capital necessary to get them to consider moving him.

So you want to give up a potential and likely top 15 pick and a guy who is likely averaging 17ppg this season for a guy who can't crack the starting or back up PG spot on a team with a worse record than us?

Now don't get me wrong. I get that Ivey has a lot of potential and could very well be better than whoever that pick will be and Keldon combined but its a coin toss at this point. Ivey has minimal production and doesn't seem to be fitting with Monty's coaching style.

I don't think now is the right time to be giving up valuable offensive production considering where we are right now. Branham has been fine but isn't looking like he's ready to fill Keldon's offensive shoes. All this concern with how Wemby acclimates to the league and we're already struggling offensively. How is that going to look giving up our 3rd or potentially 2nd best scorer.

I would honestly wait until we're in a better spot to move Keldon.

I would be open to moving that pick and some other combination of players and additional picks for Ivey but not Keldon and a top 15. At least not now and not for a guy who has shown so little. At this point there's an argument that Ivey won't even be better than Keldon alone.

Again with the counting stats without context. Ivey could easily put up the similar high teens - low 20s ppg on poor efficiency that Johnson has in recent seasons with equivalent mpg/usage.

Johnson didn't get that role because he's actually suited or worthy of it anymore than Williams inexplicably cutting Ivey's role early shouldn't be a sign that he's not clearly better or higher upside than some of the guards ahead of him.

This trade would be a no brainer. They'd get their highest ceiling offensive guard since Parker while balancing the top half of the roster and still having their own '24 1st and all draft capital moving forward.

[RC_Drunkford]

Or Pop could just start Tre Jones and bring Devonte Graham off the bench. Increase his trade value as a bench PG and make a trade at the deadline. Of course this will never happen, but one can dream

[scott]

A unit need not have 5 defensive stalwarts on the floor to be a good defensive unit, and I think in the case of Ivey there could be some addition by subtraction if you reshuffle the lineup in other ways.

One way, and the way that would make DAF86 happy because it would allow him to gloat over this entire board, would be to move Sochan to the 4 and Wemby to the 5 and add an additional wing who is a good defender, say for example OG.

Ivey
Vassell
OG
Sochan
Wemby

Is likely a huge upgrade on the defensive end over what we play now.

I do agree thoguh that a trade like this is likely a very long shot.

The more I think of it, this is the way.

Trade Keldon + CHI pick + Lotto Protected 1st (or Swap) + Seconds for Ivey

Trade TOR + CHA picks for OG

Starting lineup is like the above plus we still have all our picks (except for what we send out for Ivey), the ATL picks, and BOS and DAL swaps.

[CGD]

^ Ivey is not the answer. Just target Collier in this draft. OG ain’t worth it

[itzsoweezee]

This team needs veterans. I'd rather not see additional young guys that don't know how to play basketball unless some of the current spurs young players that don't know how to play basketball are going out. Regardless, the priority should be signing a veteran point guard.

[BacktoBasics]

This team needs veterans. I'd rather not see additional young guys that don't know how to play basketball unless some of the current spurs young players that don't know how to play basketball are going out. Regardless, the priority should be signing a veteran point guard.

I’d love Collier and have no problem with a high level pg prospect but like you’ve pointed out a vet pg is really what this team needs. It would advance this squad forward significantly quicker than a rookie pg.

Thing is that really good vet pg’s are hoarded by contenders. They’re in short supply.

Not exactly a fan favorite but a second tier vet pg like Schroeder might be a decent consolation prize if the cost is reasonable.

[Spurs Homer]

This past summer there were several pg's available...

every genius on this board said. "no - wemby wont be ready for 3-4 seasons so we have to keep our picks and young guys blah blah"

now everyone is jumping ship and pining for pg's

[exstatic]

This past summer there were several pg's available...

every genius on this board said. "no - wemby wont be ready for 3-4 seasons so we have to keep our picks and young guys blah blah"

now everyone is jumping ship and pining for pg's

Those 3 PGs all went for multiple FRPs, and none of them were younger than 30 years old.

[rascal]

I’d love Collier and have no problem with a high level pg prospect but like you’ve pointed out a vet pg is really what this team needs. It would advance this squad forward significantly quicker than a rookie pg.

Thing is that really good vet pg’s are hoarded by contenders. They’re in short supply.

Not exactly a fan favorite but a second tier vet pg like Schroeder might be a decent consolation prize if the cost is reasonable.

No it's best to lose enough this year and get a top 5 pick and get the best PG in the draft.

Have some patience while the Spurs build a team that will be a future contender.

Getting a couple of future all star tier players(if the Spurs know how to draft) through the draft is the way to go. They will have many years playing with Wemby on the same time line.

[baseline bum]

The more I think of it, this is the way.

Trade Keldon + CHI pick + Lotto Protected 1st (or Swap) + Seconds for Ivey

Trade TOR + CHA picks for OG

Starting lineup is like the above plus we still have all our picks (except for what we send out for Ivey), the ATL picks, and BOS and DAL swaps.

Is Toronto not wanting to pay him next year? Because a first that'll be likely 10-16 plus two seconds for a 26 year old three and D guy like OG seems like a pipe dream.

[rascal]

This past summer there were several pg's available...

every genius on this board said. "no - wemby wont be ready for 3-4 seasons so we have to keep our picks and young guys blah blah"

now everyone is jumping ship and pining for pg's

Getting Dame would have made the spurs better this year but they wouldn't be contenders this year anyways
and would ruin their chance at a top draft pick and put them in the middle of the draft and that's not where you want to be. Draft similar type of players who are already on the roster.

The spurs need to add some young all star potential talent to the roster and the higher the picks the better chance to do that.

[rascal]

^ Ivey is not the answer. Just target Collier in this draft. OG ain’t worth it

Get Ivey and Collier. Ivey at the two. Get rid of Devin.

[TD 21]

Is Toronto not wanting to pay him next year? Because a first that'll be likely 10-16 plus two seconds for a 26 year old three and D guy like OG seems like a pipe dream.

The max extension they can offer him is 4/$117M, which he can exceed as a UFA. He's also delusional and wants more of an on ball role, something they can't offer until Siakam is moved.

Supposedly, they turned down 3 1sts from the Knicks at last season's trade deadline.

If the Spurs have interest, they should wait until free agency.

Get Ivey and Collier. Ivey at the two. Get rid of Devin.

Not enough shooting.

[rascal]

Not enough shooting.[/FONT]

I like Castle. Plays with a fire and an agressiveness the Spurs lack.

Also is ultra athletic something the spurs need.

[exstatic]

Is Toronto not wanting to pay him next year? Because a first that'll be likely 10-16 plus two seconds for a 26 year old three and D guy like OG seems like a pipe dream.

They lost FVV for nothing this summer, and both OG (PO, making $18M) and Siakam are unrestricted next summer. Maybe a case where something is better than nothing? Technically, either would be a rental.

[rankingtear]

Get Ivey and Collier. Ivey at the two. Get rid of Devin.

Ivey skillset is too overrated. Either you make him your engine or don't bother.

[itzsoweezee]

No it's best to lose enough this year and get a top 5 pick and get the best PG in the draft.

Have some patience while the Spurs build a team that will be a future contender.

Getting a couple of future all star tier players(if the Spurs know how to draft) through the draft is the way to go. They will have many years playing with Wemby on the same time line.

This team is going to be bad no matter what. Getting some competent veteran help is not going to stop that. And even if they draft a point guard in the lottery, that guy is going to need years to become competent because pg is the most difficult position to learn. Get a competent vet leader that can teach these guys how to play while the young guys continue to learn. That’s how good teams do it.

This team is on track to be one of the worst teams in history. That is not good for the players currently on the roster, especially not wemby.

[John B]

If the plan is to soft tank while Wemby develops, they don’t need to trade for a vet player, instead for more picks by trade deadline and get the Spurs as much chance for a high draft to nub the BPA available, hopefully a PG.

[rascal]

This team is going to be bad no matter what. Getting some competent veteran help is not going to stop that. And even if they draft a point guard in the lottery, that guy is going to need years to become competent because pg is the most difficult position to learn. Get a competent vet leader that can teach these guys how to play while the young guys continue to learn. That’s how good teams do it.

This team is on track to be one of the worst teams in history. That is not good for the players currently on the roster, especially not wemby.

They are still going to need to add young talent to surround Wemby with and that’s going to come from the draft. Adding veteran help now to win a few more games will push the Spurs further down the draft where it’s harder to find the top level prospects. Wemby will be fine but he needs better talent around him not a vet who will hurt the Spurs chances of getting top level draft talent now.

The Spurs don’t have a history of trading for current stars in their prime and already passed on doing that this summer. They aren’t going to unload all the draft capital they built up. Continue adding top prospects over the next couple of years and the Spurs are going to get better. It’s going to take some time and I’m sure Wemby is smart enough to realize this. He’s still going to win ROTY and make the all star team so he’s still going to have a good year.

[SpurSpike]

Perhaps we could try to snag Coby White from the bulls?

[baseline bum]

They lost FVV for nothing this summer, and both OG (PO, making $18M) and Siakam are unrestricted next summer. Maybe a case where something is better than nothing? Technically, either would be a rental.

Damn forgot FVV's deal is starting at nearly $41 million. Yeah I'd have a hard time giving Anunoby a four year, $180 deal which is the lowest I can see him asking after seeing what FVV got paid.

[The Truth #6]

Just play Devonte more before doing something ridiculous.

[Kevin]

If the plan is to soft tank while Wemby develops, they don’t need to trade for a vet player, instead for more picks by trade deadline and get the Spurs as much chance for a high draft to nub the BPA available, hopefully a PG.

Soft tanks is a great way to describe how this season is starting to feel like.

Feel bad for Sochan. His best position is PF which is taken by Wemby. He and Wemby aren't burly enough at this point to play C and Sochan outside shooting wont cut it at SF. He should go to the bench so he can get as many minutes as possible at PF.

[SAGirl]

What are people talking about a soft tank? It looks like a hard tank, a tankathon right now. A no-holds-barred straight up dive for the bottom unfortunately. Wow how the tides have turned here.