However unlikely Cleveland trading Garland might be, it's probably worth noting that he's having a terrible season for him.
4.8 turnovers a game, shooting 28% from 3. Those are Zach Collins numbers. Probably just as bad a rim protector.
Assist % way down, TO% way up.
He would still be a big upgrade on the Spurs though
He is a 40% 3 point shooter though, and a capable defender from what I saw in the Olympics. Pop did sing his praises for being coachable iirc… honestly I’d easily trade keldon and some other bench scrubs and 2nd round picks for him. He should be more than capable of throwing a ing entry pass or lob than the other morons on this team
LaVine and Vassell can definitely coexist and it would probably be one of the few trades I’d be fine packaging Keldon with.
But yeah, he’s rarely healthy. There’s always something and he’s only 27 I think.
He would be an offensive fit for us.
The Spurs could just play LaVine at PG tbh, but he ain‘t coming here. Pop will play Sochan at point til the offseason.
Besides we already have a Zach on the team. Pop would probably not be able to differentiate between the 2 and play Collins at PG and LaVine at Center. Let alone our high IQ players, who would also mess up and pass to the wrong Zach while turning it over. Recipe for disaster
LeBron's not turning down his $51 million option and Bronny probably isn't going to make the NBA. No way in he's a one and done.
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And... here we go.
Lavine would be a great pickup for Wemby. Relief from teams game planning just him would be nice. Lavine also has a great mindset. If you haven't, you should go read his interview about team usa when he was with Pop and vice versa with Pop applauding him. He wants to be known for his defense in the league, and he wants to be coached. I honestly think Pop could help take him to the next level. Lavine has more to show than he has. He's 28, still has plenty of ball left in him and taking a lead guard role with options like vassell and wemby could also sustain a longer productive career. Those guys thrive playing off ball and lavines ability to gravitate the defense would open up so much for their off ball movement.
I'm all for another high draft pick and securing a shot at Collier this year but Lavine is a legitimate player with the right mindset.
I'd take him without thinking twice. Keldon isnt the problem but moving Keldon helps the team. He just doesn't fit those around him in the starting lineup.
With that being said, I don't think there's a high chance of it happening, unless everyone just has nothing to offer the bulls and Spurs can buy low.
Lavine hasn’t been right for two years, since he played through a knee injury in his contract year. His defense has fallen off a cliff, and that’s not what we need.
Lavine is not Spurs material tbqfhwy
Lol Zach Latrine wants to go to a winning team, but also wants to go to the Spurs. Stop me if you've heard this one.
I'd prefer to see if the Spurs have anything that will get that pick away from the Warriors. Well, I'd prefer a lot of things before Lavine.
No no no, Lavine and Vassell would form a platoon at SG since they can each play half a season.
What a bargain!
LaVine is another DeRozan-- he puts up numbers, but generally the teams he's on actually play better when he's off the court. In his 10 seasons, his on/off +/- has been in the negative 8 times. That's not what I want from a guy getting paid $40+mil/yr.
https://www.basketball-reference.com...lavinza01.html
Unless the PG is forward sized (and not named Sochan), that's too weak physically and defensively on the wings.
He's a poor defender, known for being inattentive off ball.
It'll be a half salary dump type trade, but they should still be able to at least get one 1st that projects as decent.
He's also a sub par play maker with selfish tendencies.
I'm not suggesting it is all realistic or achievable, but something like Cunningham-Lavine-Vassell is what I would imagine as the idea way to make something like that work. Alas, I appreciate the Spurs being mentioned in higher end trade rumors, but this one just doesn't quite fit (and, as previously mentioned, dude can't stay healthy)
Unless the PG is forward sized (and not named Sochan), that's too weak physically and defensively on the wings.
He's a poor defender, known for being inattentive off ball.
It'll be a half salary dump type trade, but they should still be able to at least get one 1st that projects as decent.
He's also a sub par play maker with selfish tendencies.
Honestly think that's due to his program. He's capable of being a good defender, he showed it with Pop and a willingness to be coached to it. His injury issues are definitely a concern but he wouldn't be hero balling 50 shots with the spurs. Another thing I think would help him be more efficient. The spurs have actual off ball players who would give him so many outs. Once again, don't think it's a high chance at all of happening but would not be the worse thing for sure. People haven't seen his interviews if they think he's not a spurs type.
As far as defense, he's not exactly surrounded by defense minded players and coaches since they lost Ball. Before they lost Ball, they were one of the better looking teams in the league on both sides. Think people forget that part.
Chicago actually had a really good defense the year that DeRozan got there, right up until Lavine injured his knee.
Regarding Team USA, it’s much easier to sell out on defense when you know it’s only for a matter of weeks.
I think Chicago would gut anyone wanting LaVine. I bet their starting point would be Keldon and Vassell plus 2 number 1 picks and 2 pick swaps.
I don’t think anyone here is going to value LaVine like Chicago will. Moving him will become the core of their rebuild.
I think within the article it was stated that they had been watching all of the other major trades go down before wanting in on the action, paraphrased.
Yeah, that's my point. Good luck getting that archetype.
I'd rather Ivey than LaVine. Sample size is only 186 minutes, but the former is averaging 11/3/3 in 20 mpg on 50/39/77 shooting splits (59efg% and 63ts%), 60% on drives and 71% total at rim, 47% on c&s 3's and "only" has a -2.4 net rtg (3rd best on team).
He's starting today, so maybe they're coming to their senses.
Yeah I don’t think they’ll get a massive haul for LaVine. They’ll ask for it but it’s hard to say what he’ll really bring. Who outside of OKC has a stockpile of assets for him? I’m not sold he’ll be easily moved.
I wouldn’t give 2 firsts and two pick swaps plus Keldon and if I’m Chicago I demand Vassell over Keldon.
But if a first and a swap plus Keldon gets it done I’m in.
I’d rather they use that for a true PG like Sexton tbh.
Lavine is interesting because while the Bulls might want a massive return for him, his health is question and his contract is a negative. Like BackToBasics mentioned, it’s like a whole lot of teams have a war chest of extra assets to trade for him. Honestly, if Chicago could convince a team like SA to do Lavine for Vassell straight up (or Lavine for Jalen Williams if you are OKC), that would be a huge win for them - but I doubt SA or OKC are interested in that deal.
If I’m the Spurs, if Chicago really wanted Vassell in exchange for Lavine, CHI would be the one having to attach assets, not SA.
With that said, Vassell is starting to look like a China Doll himself so maybe that’s a bad example.
I’ll do Keldon + CHI’s pick back, but that’s about it.
It’s funny that people think that because he’s 6’1” Sexton is a PG, and because he’s 6’9” Sochan isn’t.
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