Ukraine

[Ef-man]

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[daboom1]

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

I agree you're an idiot if you think the successor is handing back Crimea. You're embarrassing yourself.

You cannot even name who his successor is.

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am not sure what would happen should Putin die. His old military intelligence apparatus still exists and it could be a coup but what they would do I have no idea much like I have no idea how probable that is to happen in the first place.

What is stupid is taking an uncertain future and conning certainty to your preferred outcome.

[daboom1]

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It never gets old!

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I am not sure what would happen should Putin die. His old military intelligence apparatus still exists and it could be a coup but what they would do I have no idea much like I have no idea how probable that is to happen in the first place.

What is stupid is taking an uncertain future and conning certainty to your preferred outcome.

I'll boil it down for ya, sweetheart...20%.

[Ef-man]

More russian deaths and casualties from Ole Man Winter for sure

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[DMX7]

I am not sure what would happen should Putin die. His old military intelligence apparatus still exists and it could be a coup but what they would do I have no idea much like I have no idea how probable that is to happen in the first place.

What is stupid is taking an uncertain future and conning certainty to your preferred outcome.

Actually it’s your wishful thinking that has failed you badly here… really badly.

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[pgardn]

Actually it’s your wishful thinking that has failed you badly here… really badly.

Honestly I was stunned Putin was stupid enough to start this war and invasion in the first place.
This was the point for me that a superpower became unpredictable. This is a very dangerous characteristic. It implies desperation. I am much more certain now that Putin will start another invasion if Russia recovers militarily (conventionally) during his lifetime self anointed presidency. Putin had already made some very bold intrusions before Ukraine. For me personally, Ukraine was a 100 fold escalation of desperation. Putin wants a dangerous world because Russia is failing badly and has been doing so for at least 30 years. Accelerated decay of a broken country that needs war.

Americans always go back to Vietnam and now Afghanistan as failures. The Ukrainian invasion is exponentially worse for Russia and Ukraine and Europe. And very, very dangerous and cancerous for the US. It’s so very different than China. China still has skins in the economic game. Russia feels it has very little to lose imo. There is not enough wealth and it appears manpower to lose. All in for conventional destruction or maybe they can take free Europe with time and effort. Just keep kidnapping people and children on a huge scale and move West. Fake elections. Repeat.

[DMX7]

Honestly I was stunned Putin was stupid enough to start this war and invasion in the first place.
This was the point for me that a superpower became unpredictable. This is a very dangerous characteristic. It implies desperation. I am much more certain now that Putin will start another invasion if Russia recovers militarily (conventionally) during his lifetime self anointed presidency. Putin had already made some very bold intrusions before Ukraine. For me personally, Ukraine was a 100 fold escalation of desperation. Putin wants a dangerous world because Russia is failing badly and has been doing so for at least 30 years. Accelerated decay of a broken country that needs war.

Americans always go back to Vietnam and now Afghanistan as failures. The Ukrainian invasion is exponentially worse for Russia and Ukraine and Europe. And very, very dangerous and cancerous for the US. It’s so very different than China. China still has skins in the economic game. Russia feels it has very little to lose imo. There is not enough wealth and it appears manpower to lose. All in for conventional destruction or maybe they can take free Europe with time and effort. Just keep kidnapping people and children on a huge scale and move West. Fake elections. Repeat.

Putin didn't receive any meaningful punishment for invading Georgia, Crimea or the Donbas, so naturally he thought he could replace the whole Ukrainian government without much pushback. Now finally, he is paying a price but there will be no winners in this war. The longer it goes the worse off everyone is going to be including us.

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Putin didn't receive any meaningful punishment for invading Georgia, Crimea or the Donbas, so naturally he thought he could replace the whole Ukrainian government without much pushback. Now finally, he is paying a price but there will be no winners in this war. The longer it goes the worse off everyone is going to be including us.

Uh, uh, 7. Z stated unequivocally that Russia must be out of every single percentage of Nazi occupied Ukraine land, or, there is no victory for Nazi occupied Ukraine.

& I'm holding Z to that in' linePERIOD

[ChumpDumper]

Putin didn't receive any meaningful punishment for invading Georgia, Crimea or the Donbas, so naturally he thought he could replace the whole Ukrainian government without much pushback. Now finally, he is paying a price but there will be no winners in this war. The longer it goes the worse off everyone is going to be including us.

Why us?

Your sudden concern over deficits?

Were the war effort revenue neutral for us would you be for it?

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Why us?

Your sudden concern over deficits?

Were the war effort revenue neutral for us would you be for it?

Uh, uh, Dumper. Z stated unequivocally that Russia must be out of every single percentage of Nazi occupied Ukraine land, or, there is no victory for Nazi occupied Ukraine.

& I'm holding Z to that in' linePERIOD

[pgardn]

Putin didn't receive any meaningful punishment for invading Georgia, Crimea or the Donbas, so naturally he thought he could replace the whole Ukrainian government without much pushback. Now finally, he is paying a price but there will be no winners in this war. The longer it goes the worse off everyone is going to be including us.

Disagree.

Ukraine cannot possibly be winners except for being free and democratic (in a more immediate future). Both will be difficult to come by structurally and people wise as they are devastated and need help. They are now purer and simple fighters. Will they turn into a warrior state , the worst of the warriors becoming terrorists on a massive scale? In happened on a smaller scale in Chechnya. Or will Russia capturing and moving massive numbers of people to be deprogrammed work like it did not in SE Asia resulting in the killing fields? Or will the Ukrainians get some more immediate help?
Russia can clearly be the winner exactly the way I stated in the post you wrote this reply to. The destruction of infrastructure and people has already moved at its greatest rates. Unless a sudden nuke appears and we know where that comes from, its already been threatened by Russia. Ukraine will fall completely if Russia is not stopped and the land it stole given back. A HUGE piece of their economic ability was taken when Crimea was invaded in 2014. That must be returned for Simple viability now. It was not before, but now it must be returned.

And thats it. Sad. But a world leader made the decision. A horrible decision. Now people have already suffered immensely. You cant turn this around in a decade. Especially if Ukraine has its sovereignty and economic viability continually threatened which will happen if Russia does not stop AND give Crimea back. By force or not. Putin's choice.

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Disagree.

Ukraine cannot possibly be winners except for being free and democratic (in a more immediate future). Both will be difficult to come by structurally and people wise as they are devastated and need help. They are now purer and simple fighters. Will they turn into a warrior state , the worst of the warriors becoming terrorists on a massive scale? In happened on a smaller scale in Chechnya. Or will Russia capturing and moving massive numbers of people to be deprogrammed work like it did not in SE Asia resulting in the killing fields? Or will the Ukrainians get some more immediate help?
Russia can clearly be the winner exactly the way I stated in the post you wrote this reply to. The destruction of infrastructure and people has already moved at its greatest rates. Unless a sudden nuke appears and we know where that comes from, its already been threatened by Russia. Ukraine will fall completely if Russia is not stopped and the land it stole given back. A HUGE piece of their economic ability was taken when Crimea was invaded in 2014. That must be returned for Simple viability now. It was not before, but now it must be returned.

And thats it. Sad. But a world leader made the decision. A horrible decision. Now people have already suffered immensely. You cant turn this around in a decade. Especially if Ukraine has its sovereignty and economic viability continually threatened which will happen if Russia does not stop AND give Crimea back. By force or not. Putin's choice.

This (choice) has been made by Putin, peeg.

Let us proceed...

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