Yeah, the Spurs didn't let Robinson scare them off from drafting Duncan.
Sarr is not in the same universe as Robinson, Duncan and Wembanyama as a prospect, he's similar to the latter in age (unlike an aging Robinson coming off of significant injury) and it's exceedingly difficult to play two C's together in this era.
If he ends up in his own tier as a prospect at whatever slot they ultimately land in, that's different. But based on current projections, I don't see it.
That was from drafting Duncan though. Are we talking another genuine superstar talent with Sarr? Is NBL a big enough jump in compe ion over French league that you wouldn't have pause over Sarr's 10PPG and 5RPG? Sarr wasn't really putting up numbers at Overtime Elite either last year. Nothing like what the Thompson twins did for example. You wouldn't pass on Duncan for fit but you might pass on Jarrett Allen for fit.
I’ve seen enough on collier, he’s a hard no for me. USC should not be losing to Long Beach state and UC Irvine with the talent they have. This guy turns the ball over constantly, can’t shoot, horrendous defense. Hoping castle shows something otherwise we’re going to need another #1 draft pick to actually find a difference maker
collier is another scoot....Dont want him unless its with raptors pick if hes still there
He looks much worse than Scoot; he's 16/30 on free throws in his last 5 games, 3/13 on 3s. His biggest strength is getting to the basket. But when point guards penetrate, they either create offense by creating an advantage and leveraging a rotating defense, or score / draw fouls. Well, he turns the ball over constantly so he's not creating efficient offense. And his free throw shooting is now incredibly suspect so he can't score efficiently even when he draws fouls. So what is he actually good at that helps you on offense? I think I would much rather go after a versatile flawed wing like Dunn or maybe a 6th man with good decision making like Sheppard rather than this guy with the raptors pick. And maybe sign a point guard or trade for one in the offseason.
The thing with this draft there are no All Stars in it they are some guys who can be good fits for teams which is why I think fit will be judged over talent as there is not a big gap talent wise.
It might just small sample size and too early to say, but I think that the Lakers' in-season tournament may illustrate some important lessons about team building. That team is centered around a top 3 offensive initiator and a perennial DPOY big who can both shut down the paint and defend in space. Lebron being who he is with his creation is able to unlock guys like Reddish, Vando, Taurean Prince, all these long defensive wings who are getting paid close to the minimum each. As long as you have a good enough creator, you can get defensive wings on the cheap and navigate the salary cap that way. You will probably see something similar with Dallas, OKC, to a lesser degree Indiana moving forward.
Boston and the Clippers are the opposite of this. They've built around 2 wings and have prioritized defensively switchable lineups with no defensive weak link in the starting lineup (this year's clippers are different, but this was true in the past). Boston's gotten close but they've always stagnated in the past. They are both going to be paying exorbitant tax in the future because you basically have to pay a ton for above average 2 way players at every single position without a go to initiator. Pelicans should be way better than they are right now with their talent even with Zion being obese, but because CJ's not a true initiator their offense just stagnates. All this to say, if the spurs see the opportunity to get an initiator to pair with Wemby, you have to do it. Topic might not pan out, and he might bust, but if he hits (and there's good reason to think he will), his archetype is way more valuable than a 2 way guy like Castle, Walter, or Risacher even if they might be better players. Spurs already have a rich man's Anthony Davis on their hands, if they hit on a true initiator they're set pending injuries for the next 15 years.
They definitely need someone who can self create because we barely have anyone who do that now. I wasn't suggesting they get Starr, just saying they could surprise us.
Ringo is available?
That's why he'd probably be their 1st pick (reminds me of a bigger Dragic). Unfortunately, I suspect he continues to rise given the dearth of lead creators/star potential in this draft.
The Wizards, Jazz, Bulls and Raptors are all teams who will be or could be in the mix for a high pick that would probably take him top few.
Either way, they still need to prioritize a Quickley or someone of that ilk so that they don't put too much too soon on the plate of whatever creator they'll probably end up with.
^ Yeah, I’m thinking Topic is their top choice right now.
While there is no clear Edwards or Ball at the top, this draft reminds me a lot of 2020. Lots of serviceable to meh players in the top 10. Let’s not be the 2020 Warriors who drafted Wiseman at 2 over Haliburton.
Are there any highlights of Topic passing the ball? Everyone I've seen is just him making layups against slower guys who belong in whatever scrub league he plays in.
Couldn't disagree more. Sheppard's defense has been nothing short of amazing, as the numbers suggest. Eye test says the same, he may be short but he's always in the right position. Athleticism is also deceptively good.
Even the small UK guards who are drafted in the 1st round tend to be actual NBA players and stick. Quickley and Maxey come to mind. Both were picked in the 20s.
He always kept things steady, playing with a reassuring rhythm that kept all the other players from getting lost. Ha.Ringo is available?
Plays for KK Mega Basket in the Adriatic league. There have been a number of NBA players who cycled through there, chief among them one Nikola Jokic. First round picks were Luwawu-Cabbarot, Bitadze, and Jovic.
Good point on the Duncan/Allen analogy. I'm not totally sold on Sarr yet, but I'm still interested. He's only 18 now and won't turn 19 until April, so last year at Overtime Elite, he was 17/18. The Thompson twins are 20 now and turn 21 in January, meaning they were 19/20 during their Overtime Elite year-- so, two + years older than Sarr was when he was there.
Let's not be anyone from 2020 who drafted 2,4-9.
The NBL is a downgrade from the French A league, which makes me question why he went there. It's a basketball camp for USA and Canada players who don't want to go to college, and want to make more than a gleague contract.
Ah, I thought he was 19.
The ultimate teammate. The other fabs all said bad things about each other, but they never said a bad word about Ringo.
We need some damned scoring...........JaKobe Walter should be at the top of that list.
Ron Holland if we get the #1 again
Last edited by lebomb; 12-11-2023 at 01:16 PM.
A bunch of slow footed white players in that league and he's the top Spurs choice for many in here.
keldon also comes to mind. kentucky can often stunt individual stats and their role players have a good track record in the big leagues
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