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Honestly im tired of the liberal dancing. It will always be my backbone but we aren't the the smartest, best looking, most open. Europeans just want our traditions and rituals. Nice guy is gone
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Last edited by FrostKing; 12-11-2023 at 08:28 AM.
We don't have to be the best. We just have to be US
just wait until they turn rebuilding Gaza over to the Palestinian Authority....They will make Arafat look like and amateur grifter.
It is possible that with Sunni nations and Israel still playing nice, the power vacuum will be filled with something with reasonable oversight so that schools, sewers, powerplants, etc. will be built.
I don't see how Hamas can continue as political party. In theory sure prove the West wrong but it's just a matter of time. Even false flag.
They tarnished their reputation. I want Hamas out.
The only person talking about that is Joe Biden, afaik.
I think it's the other way around. I think this weakened the Palestinian Authority who has always tried to play nice with Israel. Hamas is a political movement...not just a few radicals. It's like all these other fanatical religious based organizations...kill one leader and two more fill the void. After this I certainly don't see the bulk of the Palestinians wanting to play nice with Israel.
I didn't say anything about Hamas, how odd for you to impute specific claims. Not only is it pure innuendo, you also failed to make any specific point yourself.
I wouldn't doubt your foot stamping refers to something real, but what that is isn't clear from your post.
advantage, Hamas
there's an article in The Nation that says something similar, that Hamas breaking out of Gaza and becoming a party of national liberation was possibly a strategic aim.
think of the IRA and Nelson Mandela -- former terrorists who ended up at peace negotiations and became normal politicians.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...aza-war/tnamp/
Last edited by Winehole23; 12-11-2023 at 09:54 AM.
I think people in Gaza agree but big picture, they weren't supported by the Arab World. Even Hamas soldiers were likely led to believe this was big domino... to boycotting Starbucks sure
Yes there was surprising support in Western nations but the West won. No one stepped up to challenge. Social media posts & boycotts are great and Israel exposed not as strong military as we were led to believe - but Israel is still doing as they please. Palestine didn't gain anything at the negotiationing table
ok to starve the whole population because bad guys are in charge?
Bad timing with West going Nationalist. No more "fixing the World"
I would sympathize maybe arguably Hamas forced them to elect but from what I've seen they defend Hamas
Bottomline: this is bleeding support for Hamas. Forcing them to see how life is with them in power.
No, the people are being starved in part because the Hamas is in charge. You do understand that Hamas has been diverting aid for decades right?
I say that you guys gloss over Hamas and your response is that you don't say anything about Hamas as if that is not the point.
Sure it is a political party but there is a machine behind it as well. IDF has stated their goal is to destroy Hamas installations and infrastructure. Hamas is trying real hard to defend them for a reason. The guerilla option in Gaza is pretty diminished.
So you didn't have a point about Hamas. You were just handwaving. Thanks for clearing that up.
No, I have many points. My most recent one is how Hamas has been diverting aid for decades. You still are mum.
Sure. No doubt Hamas diverted some of the suitcases filled with Qatari cash, too.
Displacing 80% of Gaza, running them from place to place, starving them and continuing to bomb is collective punishment. I don't think anything justifies that. You seem think the mere existence of Hamas in Gaza does so.
I just answered you. I don't deny Hamas gets some of the goodies. No one here has.
Do you think that justifies unlimited war on civilians, displacing, bombing and starving them en masse?
You cried and claimed you already knew everything and made it personal then claimed you don't make it personal. I don't know why you short circuit in so many situations. Perhaps your therapist can explore that with you.
A little yah. We are debating when is enough.
They support Hamas and now people boycott/protest in our communities
This is a problem to me. Maybe we need to squeeze the rotten juice out
Is aid not coming in from Egypt? Is Israel stopping or preventing it in any way?
What do you imagine to the people that are actually in the and cannot get to the international aid coming in from the south? You think your ceasefire is going to save them?
At the end of the day, your way results with Hamas back in control of the region with their police forces and their tax collectors and of course their armed forces.
We all have issues with the West. Times have changed. You are with us or not. No more kneeling & explaining ourselves.
West is best. Our values & way of life.
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