*** Official Israel vs Hamas war #13783478343 thread ***

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You cried and claimed you already knew everything and made it personal then claimed you don't make it personal. I don't know why you short circuit in so many situations. Perhaps your therapist can explore that with you.

Nice word salad that is mostly wishful thinking. Still don't have a point I see.

[Winehole23]

Is aid not coming in from Egypt? Is Israel stopping or preventing it in any way?

Yes, Israel limits what comes through Rafah. It's a trickle of aid, completely inadequate to the current need

What do you imagine to the people that are actually in the and cannot get to the international aid coming in from the south? You think your ceasefire is going to save them?

At the end of the day, your way results with Hamas back in control of the region with their police forces and their tax collectors and of course their armed forces.

Here's an example of the personalization I was talking about earlier. While it's true I think there needs to be a ceasefire, calling it "my ceasefire" and "my way" is inaccurate and polemical. Others proposed it first.

If Israel eliminates Hamas's leadership and fighting force, I can think of no better recruitment for the next generation of Hamas than what Israel is doing to Gaza now. They might have done better to make a political deal with Hamas a long time ago, but Israel needed Hamas as a bogeyman, to divide Palestinians and to forestall international diplomacy.

[ChumpDumper]

Nice word salad that is mostly wishful thinking. Still don't have a point I see.

you're doing it again.

The funniest part is when you admitted to Winehole that you do make it personal then in the very next post told him you don't make it personal. You and your therapist can determine if you're lying to yourself as well.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I just answered you. I don't deny Hamas gets some of the goodies. No one here has.

Do you think that justifies unlimited war on civilians, displacing, bombing and starving them en masse?

You have cute characterizations but let us discuss what has been going on.

Israel has been normalizing relations with their Sunni neighbor and more importantly with the Palestinians since the last Intifada and the Arab spring events. As Chump gleefully points out in his FAFO scenario for Israel, they started handing out work Visas and border crossings. Both Hamas and the PLO stated they did not want to continue their military branches for their part.

As a result a ton of aid started flowing in from all over the world mostly from the EU but ew had a big chunk of that too. Now that money was supposed to go to building schools, hospitals, food distribution networks, etc.

Now from what I understand the PLO has been doing a pretty good job but Hamas essentially took that influx of aid and upped their security and military systems and then laid out a surprise attack.

How do we know that the aid was diverted? Because none of those sewer systems, schools, hospitals, and roads never got built.

You know what IDF and Hamas are fighting over? It's the tunnels, tax offices, police stations, check points, arms depots, etc that they actually built. They have moved through the city center and are pushing them out of the city entire.

So just curious what would you see happen and why do you think it has any chance of helping those people.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

you're doing it again.

The funniest part is when you admitted to Winehole that you do make it personal then in the very next post told him you don't make it personal. You and your therapist can determine if you're lying to yourself as well.

Doing what? Asking if you have an on topic point instead of obsessing over me?

You got me.

I never said I do not make things personal. I said I don't do it all the time. I still think you're a putz so there is that.

[ChumpDumper]

Damn, Fuzzy's on tilt.

Repeats my point multiple times then claims I don't have a point.

My point about Fuzzy personally is that he is a pompous hypocrite who doesn't want discussion, only fealty. If he doesn't get it, he'll make it personal.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Damn, Fuzzy's on tilt.

Back to the wishful thinking. And given that apparently you think that is a winning condition, you're claiming your version of victory.

How droll.

[Winehole23]

How do we know that the aid was diverted? Because none of those sewer systems, schools, hospitals, and roads never got built.

I'd be interested to know what source you're relying on. Building materials have been restricted imports in Gaza since 2007.

To take one example, import restrictions have prevented Gaza from rebuilding the desalinization plant that was bombed in 2014.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'd be interested to know what source you're relying on. Building materials have been restricted imports in Gaza since 2007.

To take one example, import restrictions have prevented Gaza from rebuilding the desalinization plant that was bombed in 2014.

Who said they lifted all the restrictions? I said they were going through the process of normalization. Chump provided the evidence.

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Yes, Israel limits what comes through Rafah. It's a trickle of aid, completely inadequate to the current need

Here's an example of the personalization I was talking about earlier. While it's true I think there needs to be a ceasefire, calling it "my ceasefire" and "my way" is inaccurate and polemical. Others proposed it first.

If Israel eliminates Hamas's leadership and fighting force, I can think of no better recruitment for the next generation of Hamas than what Israel is doing to Gaza now. They might have done better to make a political deal with Hamas a long time ago, but Israel needed Hamas as a bogeyman, to divide Palestinians and to forestall international diplomacy.

...like we need(ed) Russia (as our boogeyman) since they bailed our asses out in the European theater way back there before we hit the little Yellow people not once, but..."Again." - Harry S.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Repeats my point multiple times then claims I don't have a point.

My point about Fuzzy personally is that he is a pompous hypocrite who doesn't want discussion, only fealty. If he doesn't get it, he'll make it personal.

you edited the post for that.

there is an example of cliquish behavior here White Knight if you were just to look a bit.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't consider enabling and escorting bagmen for secret payments normalization but thanks for admitting I made a point again.

[ChumpDumper]

you edited the post for that.

I added to my post. Sue me.

there is an example of cliquish behavior here White Knight if you were just to look a bit.

You need to talk to your therapist about your grade school social fixations. People are allowed to agree and disagree with others.

[Winehole23]

Who said they lifted all the restrictions? I said they were going through the process of normalization. Chump provided the evidence.

so then, things not getting built doesn't necessarily prove anything

[Winehole23]

I added to my post. Sue me.

You need to talk to your therapist about your grade school social fixations. People are allowed to agree and disagree with others.

There is something wrong with you for disagreeing.

I am white knighting Fuzzy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

so then, things not getting built doesn't necessarily prove anything

Well like I said, things were getting built in the west bank and while similar things were not built in Gaza some things were.

Seriously though what is your solution? Israel pull out of Gaza entire?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There is something wrong with you for disagreeing.

I am white knighting Fuzzy.

Console your knight, fair maiden.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I added to my post. Sue me.

You need to talk to your therapist about your grade school social fixations. People are allowed to agree and disagree with others.

Now you are reading like Joey.

Talk about my therapist some more. He never got the point either.

[ChumpDumper]

In what way have I made it personal between us in any conversation, wine, other than to say that I respect you?

Console your knight, fair maiden.

[ChumpDumper]

Now you are reading like Joey.

You're the one obsessed with someone from high school.

Talk about my therapist some more. He never got the point either.

Your therapist? I can see your telling him that.

[Winehole23]

Well like I said, things were getting built in the west bank and while similar things were not built in Gaza some things were.

Seriously though what is your solution? Israel pull out of Gaza entire?

stopping the bombing and allowing robust humanitarian aid would be a nice start. Israel can still clear out the tunnels, who's to stop them?

[Winehole23]

Console your knight, fair maiden.

lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

stopping the bombing and allowing robust humanitarian aid would be a nice start.

Okay.

Can you accept the IDF might want to use bombs against entrenched Hamas positions? As has been pointed out they have developed a robust security infrastructure.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nuance is a struggle for you.

I do not deny that I do include ad hominem in my arguments. I do deny that is all I do.

Have fun chasing windmills for your fair maiden.

[ChumpDumper]

Nuance is a struggle for you.

I do not deny that I do include ad hominem in my arguments. I do deny that is all I do.

Have fun chasing windmills for your fair maiden.

I do understand nuance. Where is the nuance in this statement RE: making it personal?

I never said that you had a conspiracy theory. I said that the numbers you were adjusted gratuitously taking advantage of the fact that tiny nature of Gaza. I was speaking to your argument not you. I did say that type of argument was misleading. That is not a characterization of you, sorry.

I could go into the why of you make those arguments but I don't because I don't make it personal.

At least you take confrontation better than Chump does.