I am a Sniffer. It is time to Fire Pop.

[timtonymanu]

The sniffers acting like Wemby landing on the spurs was a master plan. What if the lottery ball didn’t go their way? We would have amen Thompson to lead this team of scrubs. Easy to bring up the “oh yeah the spurs have a plan” excuse because they were lucky enough to land Wemby. They sure as got lucky because they would be in even bigger turmoil without him.

[rascal]

The Holts could make Pop do anything they wanted, or force him out. Yet, they don't.

And they won't.

It would be a bad look for a conservative organization to fire their future Hall of Fame coach who coached the team to five les.

[TimmyBuckets]

Landing Wemby was the master plan. They’ve been scouting him for years. He played for TP’s and Diaw’s teams and they’ve known about him for years. Besides that, what exactly would the dweeebs on here have Pop do? Have spurs bottom 6-7 instead of bottom 3? There’s such a thing as tanking properly. Spurs made moves to put themselves in this position. Poetl trade remember what they got back? DJ trade remember what they got back? What did you expect this team to do? Keep DJ and have him along with some top 20 pick and run with that so ST can whine about them not tanking?

PS: I’m in the Spurs rigged it camp lowkey but that’s neither here nor there lol

[RC_Drunkford]

First, you can't gloss over like adding Victor is some run of the mill transaction. Dude is a force and should be having an impact on the Spurs record but we're WORSE.

Second, yes, its just another year with much of the same cast, but we have 3 second year players, and many others who are young AF and from whom you would expect to see a substantial level of improvement and yet almost everyone - if not everyone actually - has REGRESSED from what they were doing last year. Even if we just ran it back with the same players and didn't add Wemby you don't see how getting WORSE results from the same group after substantial time is an issue and something to be extremely concerned about?

But worst of all, these players seem to be OK with losing. It is clear the losing is really bothering Wemby, but outside of him? I see Vassell and Keldon laughing and flexing and doing so many things like that while losing 17 games in a row and it doesn't inspire me with confidence that these players who have known nothing but losing actually have what it takes between the ears to be winners. Nothing from the Spurs this offeason indicated they were in a tanking mode. None of the statemnts form Pop, the front office, or the players have indicated that at any point. I sure as don't think the point was ever to run out and lose 17 in a row.

This is just y'all coping and hoping that this is actually the plan because the alternatives are way worse.

Right on the money. If Pop was tanking he wouldn't play the same rotation. He'd play Wesley, Barlow and the rest of the end of the bench so everybody can get playing time. This team is just dumb and bad with a bad coach. That's a terrible combination.

[HemisfairArena]

And they won't.

It would be a bad look for a conservative organization to fire their future Hall of Fame coach who coached the team to five les.

bull ,,,New England is running Belichick out of town at the end of the season and not worried how it looks because they have the balls,,,,our organization does not. Belichick has down everything Pop has done but in the NFL but they have had enough of his losing and ready to move on,,,,our organization is going down with the ship and will probably lose Wemby in the process,,,

[timtonymanu]

Yes the owners are failing, Pop is failing, everyone on the organization is failing. They're failing so hard they set themselves up to get a generational talent and jump start a rebuild that would otherwise have taken a decade probably. What a failure. Now what would have been a middling season at best (though unlikely, as they were set to win 20 or so games before the season started), is the only opportunity they have left to tank and get a top tier talent with a top 3 and top 10 pick. What a terrible strategy (see KD's Sonics first season record).

I love the whiners on here that offer no solutions and think Spurs are in a terrible situation, where other teams who've had multiple bad years with good talent aren't even close to being as set up for success as the Spurs are. How long was Embiid on the Sixers for before they became good? When were the pistons ever good with their multiple terrible years? Butthurt fans are still yapping about Pop's mic moment and are unable to see the bigger picture. IDK if you noticed but the Big 3 aren't here anymore. This isn't the late 90's team with vets ready to compete that a 21.5 year old Timmy came to. This is the young inexperienced team that Wemby came to. You're 5 years too early to be calling for Pop's head dummies. Only Pop can remove Pop. He should just give himself an extension so ST can commit a mass Hara-kiri.

I love how you bring up how the big 3 aren’t here anymore but this also isn’t the same Pop from the le years. But okay, keep convincing yourself that this was part of the plan, to lose 18 straight, to absolutely make sure our players don’t develop correctly. To be happy with losing. I would be all “yay tanking” If we were actually seeing development from our players outside Wemby. But like manny has said, they have ALL regressed. Like y’all wouldn’t be having this same tune if we got stuck with Scoot or the Thompson twins.

[RC_Drunkford]

some of y'all have your head so far up Pop's ass, it's hilarious

[gambit1990]

pop won’t get fired. it’s not even his resume saving him … it’s his contract.

[druggas]

And they won't.

It would be a bad look for a conservative organization to fire their future Hall of Fame coach who coached the team to five les.

Phil Jackson was fired and his resume craps all over Popovich's.

[poopbox]

And they won't.

It would be a bad look for a conservative organization to fire their future Hall of Fame coach who coached the team to five les.

I don't think it would. I actually think starting next year the media will start the "pop needs to go you can't risk losing your franchise player cause you can't win" storyline. I also think more than a few players on this team have tuned Pop out. Also...who would actually care if Pop got fired? Who are the people who would be like thats it Pop gone I'm not supporting the Spurs anymore. I can't think of any.

[JeffDuncan]

… If Pop was tanking he wouldn't play the same rotation. He'd play Wesley, Barlow and the rest of the end of the bench so everybody can get playing time. This team is just dumb and bad with a bad coach. That's a terrible combination.

You are correct. Especially consider Wesley. He is supposedly being developed, and the Spurs are supposedly high on him. He has been available for 17 games this season, but he has played in only 5 games, for a grand total of 24 minutes. If Pop is tanking, so that wins don’t matter, where is Wesley’s development time?

Good ole Pop, the incompetent goofball, is trying to win. It’s sad.

[MannyIsGod]

Manny, never change. You’re like Wind In His Hair from Dances with Wolves. First you are angry, always.

I’m saying the Holts are OK with the 2nd tank, and no, they’re not coping.

The Holts might be OK with the status right now given that ticket sales are probalby still good due to Wemby being here, but I seriously doubt they'd be OK with multiple tank years were attendance figures hit really low numbers. They very obviously will give Pop such a long rope that I have no idea what it would take for him to be under public pressure but to take that and then try to act like this is some kind of grand plan is just ridiculous. We have no idea how the Holts feel about this, but I doubt they look at the losing streak and think YEAH THIS IS GREAT.

I'm not angry dude. I don't put a but of emotions and I use strong language because that's how I communicate but you trying to deflect from the stupid you keep trying to latch onto about how the situation is no big deal is just you deflecting. I've never been one to blame Pop for . I've never been doom and gloom and I've been higher on many of these players than a lot of people on here. But to sit here and look at the current situation as anything but a gigantic dumpster fire and incredibly problematic is just the pinnacle of bull . That doesn't make me angry but by all means continue to deflect since you seem bent on your stupid position.

[MannyIsGod]

The sniffers acting like Wemby landing on the spurs was a master plan. What if the lottery ball didn’t go their way? We would have amen Thompson to lead this team of scrubs. Easy to bring up the “oh yeah the spurs have a plan” excuse because they were lucky enough to land Wemby. They sure as got lucky because they would be in even bigger turmoil without him.

Actually do think its fair to say that Wemby was the master plan. Or at least maximizing our chance to get Wemby, which turned out well. Just because its low probability doens't mean that it wasn't what they planned for.

[Mikeanaro]

Ok Wemby was the master plan, and that master plan leads to 20 losses in a row?
More like a train wreck and Pop needs to be fired.

[Sugus]

The sniffers acting like Wemby landing on the spurs was a master plan. What if the lottery ball didn’t go their way? We would have amen Thompson to lead this team of scrubs. Easy to bring up the “oh yeah the spurs have a plan” excuse because they were lucky enough to land Wemby. They sure as got lucky because they would be in even bigger turmoil without him.

You do know a plan doesn't have to be infallible to be a good one, right? You're irrationally wrong here. By all accounts, the Spurs did have VW as their master plan. TiMVP did an article on it and everything a couple months before the draft.

If the lottery balls had landed differently and we'd gotten a non-franchise prospects, the Spurs would've tanked again and again, until they got one. Isn't that the whole shtick with tanking? They'll still tank this year for the hopeful 1B piece, and then try to turn the page. If it fails, rinse and repeat, like everyone else does.

It's funny, after so many years of the Choir preaching to the Spurs to tank, seeing everyone so flabbergasted by it... Funny indeed.

[Sugus]

Ok Wemby was the master plan, and that master plan leads to 20 losses in a row?
More like a train wreck and Pop needs to be fired.

Yeah, man, you got it. The master plan ends at the middle of your franchise prospect's rookie season. Eureka!

[Sugus]

We have no idea how the Holts feel about this, but I doubt they look at the losing streak and think YEAH THIS IS GREAT.

This is unfair. We don't know how the owners personally feel, but it's certainly fair to judge the Spurs' general non-reaction to their record as a sign that ownership is, at the least, on board with the status and outlook of the team. We all say it - any other coach losing 17 or whatever in a row, would be under the "hot seat". So where's the heat - any at all? You say it yourself, Pop keeps doing the same thing, trots the same lineups...

But to sit here and look at the current situation as anything but a gigantic dumpster fire and incredibly problematic is just the pinnacle of bull . That doesn't make me angry but by all means continue to deflect since you seem bent on your stupid position.

What's so "incredibly problematic" about the situation, tbh? The Spurs are tanking this year. They look terrible, as they should. They weren't expected to be this bad, as people (myself included) overstated the impact rookie Wemby would have on the team, but beyond that, it wasn't really gonna turn out much differently. The team had glaring, glaring holes last year, that contributed to the tank -- and they decided to fix none of them in the off-season. I wonder what you thought would happen (besides the part about VW)?

Like seriously. When they decided not to address the "no starting PG" issue of last season, and instead decided to convert their PF into a PG as a self-stated experiment, just where did you think the season was going? Everyone's shat on the Sochan PG experiment, but it's going pretty much as expected, and the team knows it, hence the above.

[Seventyniner]

There's just a lot of fan fatigue right now over the long losing streak. Even with the Spurs' terrible point differential, their Pythagorean expected record is 5-18.

Let's say the Spurs had won 2 games in the last 18 instead of zero: the Miami and Atlanta games. Then they would be 5-18 with losing streaks of 4, 7, and 5 along the way. I think there would be a lot less cliffjumping here in that scenario, even though it's actually worse for the Spurs in terms of lottery positioning.

[Mikeanaro]

Yeah, man, you got it. The master plan ends at the middle of your franchise prospect's rookie season. Eureka!

Terrible plan, you get an awesome rookie and then you make it play with no PG or no team whatsoever.
Small market teams are hard I get it, but playing for Pop is a huge minus.
In the old days they had to learn ¨the system¨ so there was a learning curve but now Pop makes these kids run and shoot like headless chickens.
They need a new coach, not the arrogant woke fest that Pop is.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I do think these young guys would benefit from a couple of veteran mentors on the roster to learn from and to emulate. Too bad the league has very few of those guys that are a) available, and b) affordable anymore.

Feels like this team will have to take it's lumps and hopefully the roster will get molded a bit with improvements for next season.



Maybe Manu, Tony and Tim would come back and play 10 minutes a night.

[MannyIsGod]

There's just a lot of fan fatigue right now over the long losing streak. Even with the Spurs' terrible point differential, their Pythagorean expected record is 5-18.

Let's say the Spurs had won 2 games in the last 18 instead of zero: the Miami and Atlanta games. Then they would be 5-18 with losing streaks of 4, 7, and 5 along the way. I think there would be a lot less cliffjumping here in that scenario, even though it's actually worse for the Spurs in terms of lottery positioning.

But I've watched every single one of those games and they have not been in real position to win any of them. This is an incredibly non compe ive team right now. Regardless of what the expected wins are by any given model the Spurs have not been in a position to win a single game in this steak which is pretty incredible. It's really impossible to overstate how bad this team has been.

[MannyIsGod]

This is unfair. We don't know how the owners personally feel, but it's certainly fair to judge the Spurs' general non-reaction to their record as a sign that ownership is, at the least, on board with the status and outlook of the team. We all say it - any other coach losing 17 or whatever in a row, would be under the "hot seat". So where's the heat - any at all? You say it yourself, Pop keeps doing the same thing, trots the same lineups...



What's so "incredibly problematic" about the situation, tbh? The Spurs are tanking this year. They look terrible, as they should. They weren't expected to be this bad, as people (myself included) overstated the impact rookie Wemby would have on the team, but beyond that, it wasn't really gonna turn out much differently. The team had glaring, glaring holes last year, that contributed to the tank -- and they decided to fix none of them in the off-season. I wonder what you thought would happen (besides the part about VW)?

Like seriously. When they decided not to address the "no starting PG" issue of last season, and instead decided to convert their PF into a PG as a self-stated experiment, just where did you think the season was going? Everyone's shat on the Sochan PG experiment, but it's going pretty much as expected, and the team knows it, hence the above.

I actually don't think we were wrong in Wemby impact. He's been amazing and it's not his fault we've regressed. What's problematic is that we've regressed despite having a high impact player which points to the rest of the team being worse than they were the year before. All of these players that should be improving are getting worse. That is incredibly problematic.

[exstatic]

I actually don't think we were wrong in Wemby impact. He's been amazing and it's not his fault we've regressed. What's problematic is that we've regressed despite having a high impact player which points to the rest of the team being worse than they were the year before. All of these players that should be improving are getting worse. That is incredibly problematic.

OKC won 20ish games twice with SGA on the roster putting up roughly 24p/6a/5r over the two year span. The horror.

[MannyIsGod]

OKC won 20ish games twice with SGA on the roster putting up roughly 24p/6a/5r over the two year span. The horror.

Ok and how many of those players from the first year are on OKC now? Other than SGA it's only Dort. So basically the entire roster turned over. You obviously weren't expecting the entire roster to turn over before the season. Are you now? If so then why are they signing Zach Collins to his contract? If so why have they extended Vassel and Keldon?

You can't have it both ways. You can't argue that this team is intentionally tanking but actually good then use a team that was so bad they have kept no one as a comparison. You literally just throw against the wall hoping it sticks without actually putting any thought to it.

[scott]

I think most would be fine with another tank this year if it came along with visible signs of development. Instead we see nothing but regression, and even a situation that doesn’t develop Wemby to his full potential.