The CHI pick is also no shoe in to convey either, I think that’s a price I’m easily willing to pay for the right player…. Just not sure Cade is that guy.
I’m disappointed in Vassell’s ty shot selection and how he is developing into a black hole… but I really want to see how he does with a real playmaker on the court.
Keldon is a progress stopper so I think we are right to look to move him for a better fit.
Cade can't shoot, doesn't get to the FT line, and he's terrible defensively. No thanks, he's a rich man's Tre Jones who is overvalued because he went #1 three years ago. Also lol Simmons, all summer he was talking about how the Spurs should have made a play for Jordan Poole.
My biggest issue with Vassell is not even his shot selection, it's his incredibly disappointing defense and his lack of playmaking progress. I think that people look at his tough shot making and get enamored with his shooting. But honestly, for 28 million a year, you can't just be a self-creator and tough shot maker who's a net negative on the other end. You need to either be creating for others as at least a secondary playmaker or be a net positive on the defensive end. Otherwise how are you remotely better than a Bogdan Bogdanovich who's scoring 17 a game on 46/41/92 for 17 million a year or a KCP who's providing plus defense in addition to 3 point shooting for 15 million a year? Or to get really y, is he really that much better than Cam thomas if he doesn't develop other aspects of his game? Keldon johnson's not great, but he's on a declining contract and will get 14 million a year at the end of his contract which is probably a bargain. Can't say the same about Vassell.
No defense, no three point shooting, no ability to get to the FT line, and the only reason anyone cares about him is because he went #1 three years ago. You can excuse that kind of stuff when a guy isn't of drinking age but he's 22 and in his third year now. I don't think he's ever going to get much better.
I pretty much agree with all this, and the almost the exact same thing can be said about devin vassell. He doesn't play defense, shoots fewer FT than Cade, and is the same age. He shoots a much better 3 but can't create at all while Cade can probably be a secondary playmaker but definitely can't be a primary guy. They're both 22 and people make excuses for both of them because they've had some injuries in the past and looked like they were turning the corner. They're honestly the same caliber of player in my eyes, neither of them is bad, just not the best or second best player on a great team. I think both are probably good as #3 guys.
EDIT: vassell's actually 23
Vassell is a much better defender than Cunningham. His DF% is almost 6 points better than Cade (44.8% vs 50.5%). It's the difference between top 40% of the league vs bottom 25%. Vassell isn't a great shooter but at least he's a competent shooter. There's no way I'm trading him for Cunningham. You can go out and find Tre Jones clones in the draft and in free agency easily.
Watching Dillingham right now. Kid is special, man. Most of his shots don’t look like prayers which most NBA players look like they throw it up all the time. There’s a degree of skill and confidence every time he shoots. That backboard shot he just did was pure calculation. Looks like he’s well coached and plays within the offense. The only thing is he does that “ too small” taunt way too much. Do it once or twice..cool. But man, get out of here
he plays like an American AAU grown Teenager
Why is no one talking about Reed Sheppard at point. His numbers put everyone to shame. Kentucky has 3 point guards that project to go in the 1st round and Sheppard’s numbers are the best. Tankathon projects him as a 41% 3 point shooter in the NBA. I haven’t seen him play, but his defensive numbers put Dillingham to shame.
Last edited by buttsR4rebounding; 12-22-2023 at 12:49 AM.
You're right, his numbers are insane. Haven't heard of him till now.
do we still have our 2nd round pick this year (2024 draft)? last I checked lookes like we have traded it to Phoenix or Boston but with protections ...
Yes, but protections unknown. It was originally traded to Boston in January, protected 31-54, and then another slice of it was traded to PHO in the Cam Payne trade, but the protections on that slice aren’t known.
They are known:
Needless to say Spurs will get their second round pick.
If the season ended today, Spurs would have the following picks:
- Spurs own first round pick between 1st and 6th.
- A 74% odd to get Raptors pick that will be between 8th and 10th.
- Their own second round pick: #32.
- Lakers second round pick: #43.
Draft lottery odds:
Regarding Spurs pick:
- The 3 worst teams have little difference in picks they get. If Spurs end up in the bottom 3 teams (likely alongside Detroit and Washington), they're in a great position before the lottery. What matters for their pick is Spurs not catching teams like Charlotte and Portland.
- Even the worst team has a 48% odd of getting the 5th pick. When looking at players for Spurs picks, we should keep in mind that, in a little less than half of the cases, Spurs pick will be #5 or #6.
Draft lottery in on May 12th. It is nowhere near as important as last season but, sadly, it remains one of the most important day for Spurs this year.
My fear with Keldon was they'd wait too long and his trade value would go down, and it looks like now that's the case. Last year some GMs might've viewed him as a young guy who'll give you 20 ppg, but now his scoring is down 5 ppg as a complementary player on a team that has somehow gotten worse and is 4-23. Last year he was a mediocre defender on a terrible team, but this year his defense might be viewed as so bad that even playing next to Wembanyama can't help the situation... and that take would cause lots of GMs to pass on offering any value in exchange for him.
On the other hand, I've been thinking a lot about Minnesota and the Gobert trade, and how fortunes can change quickly (or Quickley?) in the NBA. This time last season, every analyst in the land was saying that Danny Ainge had fleeced the Timberwolves, getting Kessler + a boatload of picks for Gobert. Gobert was struggling to acclimate in Minnesota, and Kessler was looking like a young Gobert. But fast forward one season, and the T-Wolves are #1 in the West, tied with Boston for the best record in the NBA, the Jazz are 11-18, and Kessler's having a slightly disappointing 2nd season where his progress seems to have stalled a bit. Suddenly that trade doesn't look so bad for Minnesota.
Sick windmill slam by Dillingham vs Louisville last night. Maybe we draft Topic at 2 AND Dillingham at 8. That'd be a pretty good infusion of talent at the one spot.
Nice breakdown. Didn’t the spurs also acquire the NOLA 2024 SRP in the Richardson deal? Or am I misremembering?
went out as part of the bullock trade where we got the 2030 FRP swap from dallas
Oh ok— makes me feel less bad about the Derrick White trade, which really hasn’t looked that hot these days
Would be for that because you need 2 be a ball handler at shooting guard to be good in the NBA. Having two elite talents at the guard position starting would be nice
Take Topic and Castle. People are sleeping on Castle because of the knee injury.
Rascal do you see Topic and Castle playing together just curious? So far still high on Topic, Buzelis, and Risacher - looking at the draft I don't think Detroit, Portland, Charlotte, are looking at PG I think they go with Sarr, Holland, Buzelis, or Risacher. The question if let's say we get the 3rd pick would you take Buzelis over Topic if we had the 7th pick from Raptors? And with that trade our 7th and some other Capital to get Topic with our second pick?
As far as Castle I like him I just wish he would not have gotten hurt I know he is back playing but does not look the same because of knee injury. But, the thought of drafting Buzelis and Castle with our second pick I think would work out really well.
Here’s Wasserman’s latest update as of yesterday. Matas making a huge jump.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.c...tions.amp.html
If you’re just looking at team needs, you’re doing it wrong. Topić won’t be there at 7. If any of the top teams don’t need him at #1 or #2, they will simply trade back, and ac ulate assets. He won’t just fall.
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